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Old 05-04-2007, 09:44 PM
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I am afraid I must apologize...after all, I have been making petty jokes on this thread, when the original intent was obviously to start a technology piѕsing contest. I didnt mean to be rude.

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5. A hydrogen bomb. On August, 12th, 1953 on range in Semipalatinsk the first-ever hydrogen bomb has been tested.
...based on information stolen from us:

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The Soviet Union developed and tested their first nuclear weapon in 1949, based partially on information obtained from Soviet espionage in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon
Wasnt the first or the last time that the Soviets had to steal technology in order to keep up with us. A tradition that China is now continuing.

Apparently, communism can advance just fine as long as it has democracies to leech technology from. Too bad for them they could not also leech off of our economy. They might still be around.

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(yes-yes. I was not mistaken. The USA have blown up the hydrogen device earlier, but this device could not be shipped aboard the plane).
Um...so what? The US detonated the first hydrogen weapon. The Soviet weapon would not have even existed had they not obtained the necessary data from us.

As for TV...the actual technology was invented by a German, not a Russian:

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The cathode ray tube (CRT), invented by German physicist Karl Ferdinand Braun in 1897

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray_tube
Of course, I am not typing this on a CRT...but an LCD. US Technology:

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The first operational LCD was based on the Dynamic Scattering Mode (DSM) and was introduced in 1968 by a group at RCA in the USA headed by George Heilmeier. Heilmeier founded Optel, which introduced a number of LCDs based on this technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_crystal_display
Actually, most of the compnents in your computer are probably American technology, including your Operating system.

Magnetic Storage:

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The commercial usage of hard disk drives began in 1956 with the shipment of an IBM 305 RAMAC system including a IBM Model 350 disk storage[1].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_hard_disks
Also, the first optical storage system (on which CDs and DVDs are based):

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David Paul Gregg developed an analog optical disc for recording video and patented it in 1961 and 1969 (U.S. patent 3,430,966).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc
The Mouse:

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Douglas Engelbart of the Stanford Research Institute invented the mouse in 1964

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mouse_(computing)
Video Cards:

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The first video card, which was released with the first IBM PC, was developed by IBM in 1981.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphics_card
Network Technology:

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Between 1940 and 1946 George Stibitz and his team at Bell Laboratories built a series of machines with telephone technologies—i.e., employing electromechanical relays. These were the first machines to serve more than one user and the first to work remotely over telephone lines.

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-216039/computer
The first Microchip:

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The first integrated circuits were manufactured independently by two scientists: Jack Kilby of Texas Instruments filed a patent for a "Solid Circuit" made of germanium on February 6, 1959.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integra...nd_generations
The first Internet (Which formed the basis of the modern internet):

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The Advanced Research Projects Agency Network (ARPANET) developed by ARPA of the United States Department of Defense was the world's first operational packet switching network, and the predecessor of the global Internet.

[...] The first ARPANET link was established on October 29, 1969, between the IMP at UCLA and the IMP at SRI. By December 5, 1969, the entire 4-node network was connected


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARPANET...of_the_ARPANET
(I am curious...did the Soviets manage to figure out networking on their own or did they steal that from the US as well?)

On to the electric lamp...based on technology (light bulbs) developed first by Edison:

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Incandescent lamps were developed from early experiments in which electrical current was passed through filaments of noble metals such as platinum. The problem of the filament burning out after a few minutes, and the low resistance and high current draw made incandescent lamps a failure in practical terms until the developments by Edison and Swan in the 1870s.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incandescent_light_bulb
Though not the first attempt at an electric lamp, it was the first practical one. No Soviet technology was required as far as I know.

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8. Armor T-34. " If Russian have not invented T-34 all Europe would speak in German ".
Without US supplies, those tanks would have been sitting in warehouses while the Germans began exterminating the Russian population. You're welcome.

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1. Space flights. On April, 12th 1961 Jury Gagarin on a spacecraft of the Russian engineer Korolev became the first person departed in space.
Americans were the first humans to set foot on the moon:

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On July 20, Armstrong and Aldrin became the first humans to land on the Moon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11
We didnt even need to steal Soviet technology to do it. Honest.
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what about Tomas Edison and the light bulb? or the phonograph or synthetic rubber?
and the list goes on.

oh, and about the moon landing, I am sure the nut jobs will see that on here and
start screaming how it was all staged.
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Then there was also the Gulag system which now the US is using.
Its absurd statements like this that make those who say it so absurd.

Plus an extreme lack of education....or at worst knowing full well how absurd it is but not caring.


Same calibre of person uses the Nazis camp system as well.
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A lot of inventions of USSR you did not know,because USSR was closed country and First winged rocket which was controled by men was build in USSR in Afghan War.....a lot of medical invantions and others........just because f'cken communism was closed to outside world......SO VODKA IS Drinks which was entered to Russia with tsar Peter the Great....samagon is russian same drinks.....Vodka is not ukraine or russian thing......Vodka kill,Vodka is evel thing!!!!Medovuha is best thing,Honey spirt drinks FOREVER!!!!
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Now if my learning of history is correct, and I am sure that my teachers in American did not lie, the space program for the USSR was the brain child of Germans. My father used to say that we have our ( nashi Niemchti) Germans ( von Braun) and the Soviets theirs !!!

So the space race was Nazi vs Nazi and the Nazi's won ha ha

Actually the race for space was the chiild of Goddard an American ROCKETMAN !!!
You lie again! Von Braun has made american space program Appolo!!!
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...based on information stolen from us:

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The Soviet Union developed and tested their first nuclear weapon in 1949, based partially on information obtained from Soviet espionage in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon
This one half of true! In 1949 in the USSR it has been blown up two nuclear bombs: One on the American technology (though it not American - the American nuclear bomb was done by scientists of all world), the second on original Soviet technology. But about it to speak it is not accepted in the West now.


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(yes-yes. I was not mistaken. The USA have blown up the hydrogen device earlier, but this device could not be shipped aboard the plane).
Um...so what? The US detonated the first hydrogen weapon. The Soviet weapon would not have even existed had they not obtained the necessary data from us.
The US detonated the first hydrogen weapon - YES! But this hydrogen weapon could not be shipped aboard the plane. And here the USSR has blown up already a hydrogen bomb!!!

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As for TV...the actual technology was invented by a German, not a Russian:

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The cathode ray tube (CRT), invented by German physicist Karl Ferdinand Braun in 1897

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray_tube
Of course, I am not typing this on a CRT...but an LCD. US Technology:

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The first operational LCD was based on the Dynamic Scattering Mode (DSM) and was introduced in 1968 by a group at RCA in the USA headed by George Heilmeier. Heilmeier founded Optel, which introduced a number of LCDs based on this technology.
Read closely! I about TV as about system, instead of about a cathodic tube have written!

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Actually, most of the compnents in your computer are probably American technology, including your Operating system.
Read closely! I did not approve, that all in the world was invented with Russian... But for example one of founders Google was born in Moscow...
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Then there was also the Gulag system which now the US is using.
Its absurd statements like this that make those who say it so absurd.
You are right, this is absurd - in the US the Gulag prision system is largely privatised; not that state run, inefficient communist manner of caging their populations.
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Of course, I am not typing this on a CRT...but an LCD. US Technology:

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The first operational LCD was based on the Dynamic Scattering Mode (DSM) and was introduced in 1968 by a group at RCA in the USA headed by George Heilmeier. Heilmeier founded Optel, which introduced a number of LCDs based on this technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_crystal_display
Actually, most of the compnents in your computer are probably American technology, including your Operating system.
LCD Technology was not US.

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Pioneering work on liquid crystals was undertaken in the late 1960s by the UK's Royal Radar Establishment at Malvern. The team at RRE supported ongoing work by George Gray and his team at the University of Hull who ultimately discovered the cyanobiphenyl liquid crystals (which had correct stability and temperature properties for application in LCDs).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_crystal_display

The first working model was made at Hull university England.

The development of the DSM mode of LCDs was made in the US

But after all when the US nick something their ability to see where it came from disappears.

Copy right theft is a US national pass time.

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The World Wide Web (or the "Web") is a system of interlinked, hypertext documents that runs over the Internet. With a Web browser, a user views Web pages that may contain text, images, and other multimedia and navigates between them using hyperlinks. The Web was created around 1990 by the Englishman Tim Berners-Lee and the Belgian Robert Cailliau working at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland. Since then, Berners-Lee has played an active role in guiding the development of Web standards (such as the markup languages in which Web pages are composed), and in recent years has advocated his vision of a Semantic Web.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Www

What the US know about invention could be written on the back of a postage stamp. What the US know about theft could be written many books founding many libraries.

As for the reader in you disc drive it's a good job the russians invented the laser.
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There appear to be several themes running through this thread. The most prominent seems to be simplistic and juvenile cheer leading for the technical and scientific prowess of one nationality versus another. A secondary thread involves (implicitly) the conditions that promote such advancements. That's considerably more interesting. Some observations.

Genius is distributed randomly. Making genius pay off in the form of scientific breakthroughs and even more crucially in terms of technological advancements requires a social and economic infrastructure that is most common in wealthy nations or in nations where a command economy can concentrate available resources productively.

Large (especially large developed) nations have significant advantages simply because they have more geniuses and more resources to devote to research and development.

A weakness of command economies is that they depend to a large extent on "betting" correctly about the most productive directions of technology development. A strength of command economies is that if decision makers bet correctly, the concentration of resources necessary to achieve scientific and technological breakthroughs is easier to accomplish.

Even nations that are otherwise committed to "free" markets frequently engage in politically driven investment (similar to command economies) in particular areas of science and technology. The Manhattan Project, for example, was not based on allowing the "market" to determine the direction of technological development. It followed the same model as the Soviets' in the recruitment and compulsion of scientists driven toward a politically determined goal.

By the same token, if a nation can afford to do so, the "waste" of a free market in funding R&D can, from time to time, pay off in unexpected ways. It bears noting, however, that such success is matched by other failures that are seldom noted. (From an economic standpoint there is no difference between wasting resources in the public and private sectors. But in a society where private investment is viewed as laudable, the social cost of such waste is ignored in the private sector and publicized in the public sector.)

All in all, if a nation wishes to be technologically productive, it's good to be rich, large, and already technologically advanced compared to one's competitors. Those conditions make additional technological development and scientific breakthroughs more likely. And if one is big and rich enough, a "free" market and limited government direction of investment can pay off in innovation.

In the absence of those conditions, the best bet appears to be to adopt a command economy with the attendant ability to direct investment through government action. In that case, success largely depends on decision makers "betting" the investment successfully.
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The World Wide Web (or the "Web") is a system of interlinked, hypertext documents that runs over the Internet. With a Web browser, a user views Web pages that may contain text, images, and other multimedia and navigates between them using hyperlinks. The Web was created around 1990 by the Englishman Tim Berners-Lee and the Belgian Robert Cailliau working at CERN in Geneva, Switzerland. Since then, Berners-Lee has played an active role in guiding the development of Web standards (such as the markup languages in which Web pages are composed), and in recent years has advocated his vision of a Semantic Web.

In the 90's??? you want to stick with that? OK I worked on the Internet in MIT in the 60's and 70's
but I was not the ones who came up with it for the government. the Internet is older then you think
and was a project for the government in the 60's that the government asked a few people at MIT
to help with. then later on the government handed it over to the public.

your so full of it.


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