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Old 05-19-2007, 10:26 AM
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It is so funny to see Americans whining and crying about DRUGS from Mexico and illegal "WORKERS."
It's so stupid to blame the people that are making and supplying the drugs from Mexico.
NEWSFLASH: If AMERICANS were not BUYING the drugs and selling them on the streets, there would not be a supply coming across the border.

NEWSFLASH: If AMERICANS were not HIRING the illegal WORKERS, they would not be risking their lives and coming to AMERICA.

NEWSFLASH: If AMERICANS were not renting apartments and houses to the illegal workers, they would have no place to live. Their children would not be in your schools if they were not living in an AMERICAN OWNED Building.

Mexicans are not setting up their own businesses.
They are "Working FOR AMERICANS"

So, AMERICA is causing it's own problems.

SOLUTION: STOP buying the drugs and stop hiring the workers.
When you stop the "Demand," the "Supply" has no where to do.

Is it really that hard to figure out?

It's so much easier to Blame Mexico for the problems in America.
You people whine and cry outside factories that hire them yet you do not (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) at the factory OWNERS that hire them.
You (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) at the workers.
The business OWNERS, that are hiring them, are breaking the law too, are they not?

Oh that's right, they are AMERICANS and you have to live with the owners, so you can not point a finger at them.
The problem when you point a finger, there are always 3 (fingers) pointing back at you.

You people created the problem that you are whining and crying about.
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Old 05-19-2007, 01:18 PM
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An exceptionally dimwitted post!
tell me what part of it was wrong.
or is all you can do is reply with cheapshots?
funny how you can not deny what I said by telling FACTS.
get back to me with FACTS next time!
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It is so funny to see Americans whining and crying about DRUGS from Mexico and illegal "WORKERS."
It's so stupid to blame the people that are making and supplying the drugs from Mexico.
Are there any other insane generalities about Americans you would like to get off your chest?

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NEWSFLASH: If AMERICANS were not BUYING the drugs and selling them on the streets, there would not be a supply coming across the border.

NEWSFLASH: If AMERICANS were not HIRING the illegal WORKERS, they would not be risking their lives and coming to AMERICA.

NEWSFLASH: If AMERICANS were not renting apartments and houses to the illegal workers, they would have no place to live. Their children would not be in your schools if they were not living in an AMERICAN OWNED Building.

Mexicans are not setting up their own businesses.
They are "Working FOR AMERICANS"

So, AMERICA is causing it's own problems.
Do you really believe most Americans don't understand this? C'mon! Read any thread on the immigration issue on this forum, and you'll se most people blaming corporate America and corrupt politicians.

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SOLUTION: STOP buying the drugs and stop hiring the workers.
When you stop the "Demand," the "Supply" has no where to do.

Is it really that hard to figure out?
No, it's not, and now since you're so smart, and you've figured everything out for us, what's your solution to stop addicts from buying the drugs?

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It's so much easier to Blame Mexico for the problems in America.
Well, don't you think Mexico takes part of the blame? I do. It has a corrupt government, lots of poverty, few opportunities. Think about it-- if Mexico was such a wonderful place, do you really think Mexicans would be trying to come to the US?

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Oh that's right, they are AMERICANS and you have to live with the owners, so you can not point a finger at them.
The problem when you point a finger, there are always 3 (fingers) pointing back at you.

You people created the problem that you are whining and crying about.
What are you rambling about? Maybe you should pay a little more attention to what Americans are really saying about the immigration issue before you start us all how we think about it.
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Well, don't you think Mexico takes part of the blame? I do. It has a corrupt government, lots of poverty, few opportunities. Think about it-- if Mexico was such a wonderful place, do you really think Mexicans would be trying to come to the US?
That much is true, but look at it a bit more. Mexico's problems stem from a government that is too weak to fight the crime gangs and provide a strong economic base. This causes lack of legitimacy, which strengthens corruption, exacerbates the other problems, and provides quite a good reason to leave. Blaming Mexico is much like blaming Pakistan's government... True... but what can they do about it?
I see Mexico going the way of Pakistan if things do not change. Rather than Islamic fanatics, drug gangs will cause the military (already startlingly independent from civilian control) to take over and force a dictatorship that is brutal and still not capable of controlling all of Mexico. Legitimacy will fade even further. We'll see bigger problems. Plus we will have seen one of our closest trade allies lose democratic control.
It makes no sense to me that we are so hypred up on fighting in the Middle East when we have a closer problem... one that shares borders with us.
Sure it's Mexico's responsibility. But they can't fix it. Are we willing to sit on our thumbs and accept the problems that come with Mexico's gradual decline over that principle?

I agree with most of your points... but this is the one I strongly think the US should take more seriously. The worse the situation gets in Mexico, the worse it will be for us.
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I think we need to take it more seriously, too. All along, since this immigration issue has gotten serious attention, I've advocated a policy of Financial investments to encourage economic growth in Mexico, creating more opportunities within the country, encouraging Mexicans to stay there.

Almost everybody laughs at me for the idea, saying it's a huge waste of money, but do they think rounding up 15 million people is free? Do they think buidling a wall across the entire US/Mexican border is cheap?

Hell, we may not even need to send them money. Just legalize pot, and Mexico could make a fortune importing it to the states, tons of new jobs would be created to support the new industry, and the drug smugglers would lose a large amount of their power.
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I think we need to take it more seriously, too. All along, since this immigration issue has gotten serious attention, I've advocated a policy of Financial investments to encourage economic growth in Mexico, creating more opportunities within the country, encouraging Mexicans to stay there.

Almost everybody laughs at me for the idea, saying it's a huge waste of money, but do they think rounding up 15 million people is free? Do they think buidling a wall across the entire US/Mexican border is cheap?.
Well I'm with you on this one. I've been attempting to push that for a while as well... And I too am amazed at how people consider attacking the root to be a waste, but seem to believe a police state powerful enough to expel millions would be free and desirable... I find it bizarre that they even think it would work. With all our failed police "wars on..." what makes people so quick to jump on a "war on immigration"?

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Hell, we may not even need to send them money. Just legalize pot, and Mexico could make a fortune importing it to the states, tons of new jobs would be created to support the new industry, and the drug smugglers would lose a large amount of their power.
They definitely shouldn't get any no-strings-attached money... but I'm not sure legalizing pot will help them. The drug dealers are powerful there and capable of fighting the military. I don't think they'd have trouble either taking over the legal pot market or finding a new income source... They aren't going to give up their power as a shadow government.
I think Mexico may actually require military assistance to defeat the drug cartels.
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thats a pretty novel idea. i think financial investment would do mexico some good. its just such a difficult idea to follow through since most americans would be thinking, "why do we have to do this?" I don't think the general public will see the potential outcome in the long run. And it will probably become a much more complicated issue, maybe to the point where people will feel that directly involving ourselves in the Mexican economy was something that should have been untouched. But that is a novel idea pointed out. its pretty interesting to think about.
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I'm somewhat shocked the neo-cons haven't been pushing for it. It is a more local example of how international problems affect the US. Instead they attempt to fool us into thinking there are more direct threats.
Which is exactly why Americans are demanding a premature exit from Iraq... they were never in for the long haul to begin with.
Mexico is a much easier example for Americans to get a breath of just how events in other countries can cause problems here... but instead the matter has become polarized between the people who act for profit and the people who act in anger.
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I'm somewhat shocked the neo-cons haven't been pushing for it. It is a more local example of how Instead they attempt to fool us into thinking there are more direct threats.
Which is exactly why Americans are demanding a premature exit from Iraq... they were never in for the long haul to begin with.
Mexico is a much easier example for Americans to get a breath of just how events in other countries can cause problems here... but instead the matter has become polarized between the people who act for profit and the people who act in anger.
I love how Americans twist things around to make it look like they are the victims.
"international problems affect the US."

International problems did not start the Iraq war.
International problems did not support Saddam when it suited them.
International problems did not support terrorists cells when they are fighting the Russians in Afghanistan.

International problems did not create the illegal workers in the USA.
Americans are hiring them and housing them for PROFIT.

Instead of working with Mexico like you did with Canada, You turned a blind eye to the situations in Mexico.
Instead of opening up factories and businesses in Mexico, America choose to do business overseas.

America instead enjoyed taking cheap vacations an buying cheap goods in Mexico.

Maybe you should take a look at how many "International Problems" the USA has directly created around the world.
The Iraq war seems to be a big International problem right now.
America unilaterally made the choice to invade that country based solely on the fact that they had WMDs.

How many other international problems have the USA created?
Just like my first post said;

AMERICA IS CREATING THEIR OWN PROBLEMS!!!
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