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View Poll Results: In the example below, was Saddam supporting terrorists?
Yes, the suicide bombers were terrorists, but Saddam was not supporting terrorism by paying their families after they blew themselves up. 4 19.05%
Yes, the suicide bombers are terrorists and Saddam was supporting terrorism by paying their families after they blew themselves up. 15 71.43%
No, the suicide bombers were not terrorists, and Saddam was not supporting terrorim by paying their familes after they blew themselves up. 2 9.52%
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Entrenched perhaps... but its stability is up for debate.
Most people would agree that the chances of a hostile dictator taking over Mexico are virtually zero. Even if we dont intervene at all. That is why Mexico is not a threat to us.

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Mexico is a democracy, yes. But it may need help to keep it that way.
Not as much as Iraq.
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We aren't World Police
Who says we have to be? We have entirely selfish motives for ensuring that terrorist groups do not gain control of Iraq.

It isnt about policing. It is about our own Defense. Police have to be impartial. We do not have to be impartial where our own defense is concerned. We are allowed to be biased.

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There are criminals all over the World in all sorts of countries and many countries can not control them, take Mexico for example. We don't feel the need to send troops to these countries to control their criminals.
Because they do not pose the same Defense risk to us. And Mexico already has an entrenched democracy.
If the majority of the people fighting are criminals and not "terrorists" like you said in your earlier post than why would the terrorists gain control.

There are terrorist camps all over the World that we know about why not send troops to dismantle those, if all we are worried about are the terrorists.
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If the majority of the people fighting are criminals and not "terrorists" like you said in your earlier post than why would the terrorists gain control.
Um...what exactly makes you think that the words "terrorist" and "criminal" are mutually exclusive? Timothy McVeigh was both.

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There are terrorist camps all over the World that we know about why not send troops to dismantle those
Because while our resources are vast, they are also finite. So we have to pick and choose which threats take priority.
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If the majority of the people fighting are criminals and not "terrorists" like you said in your earlier post than why would the terrorists gain control.
Um...what exactly makes you think that the words "terrorist" and "criminal" are mutually exclusive? Timothy McVeigh was both. [/qoute]


UMM....cause that's what you said. You said only 10% of the 1% of the Iraqi people are terrorists while the other 90% of the 1% are criminals.

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There are terrorist camps all over the World that we know about why not send troops to dismantle those
Because while our resources are vast, they are also finite. So we have to pick and choose which threats take priority.
So you think Iraq is more important than terrorist camps in S.America?

After the JFK think I would think you might change your tune.

The problem is we don't have the resources to go after NEW threats because we are wasting them all in Iraq.
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Me: Um...what exactly makes you think that the words "terrorist" and "criminal" are mutually exclusive? Timothy McVeigh was both.

UMM....cause that's what you said.
Please provide the quote where I said that.

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You said only 10% of the 1% of the Iraqi people are terrorists while the other 90% of the 1% are criminals.
Nowhere in that statement did I make the claim that the two were mutually exclusive. It is possible to be a criminal without being a terrorist. Though the reverse is not true.

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Me: Because while our resources are vast, they are also finite. So we have to pick and choose which threats take priority.

So you think Iraq is more important than terrorist camps in S.America?
Yes.

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After the JFK think I would think you might change your tune.
Apparently you thought wrong.

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The problem is we don't have the resources to go after NEW threats because we are wasting them all in Iraq.
I do not agree that we are wasting them.
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What do you expect to gain from this war?

Seriously, point out your top 5 gains that we can achieve from this war.

We are going to have to put up bases all over the country and pretty much keep the peace in Iraq for as long as it's around. Do you think people are going to forget about the centuries old feuds they have with the other factions? THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE IN IRAQ. Quote me on this write it down. The only way to MAYBE achieve peace is to give each faction a separate country short of that you are just extending the time frame from Civil War until the US gives up or declares a second victory.
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What do you expect to gain from this war?
Security. If a democracy is in place, it is far less likely that Iraq will cooperate with terrorists. The chances are almost zero. The war is worth it for this reason alone.

It removes a potential enemy from the region.

It creates another potential ally in the region.

It will encourage democratic reforms in other Middle East nations.

It will create a potential market for us economically.

It will demonstrate our sincerity where spreading democracy is concerned.

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We are going to have to put up bases all over the country and pretty much keep the peace in Iraq for as long as it's around.
We didnt have to do that with Germany or Japan. Why do you assume we will have to do that with Iraq?

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Do you think people are going to forget about the centuries old feuds they have with the other factions?
Black Americans seem to have gotten over that whole slavery thing. And slavery is a lot worse than religious differences. So yeah, I think the Iraqis can get beyond their differences too.

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THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE IN IRAQ.
Keep hoping. It would be disasterous for the Democrats if you were wrong.

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The only way to MAYBE achieve peace is to give each faction a separate country short of that you are just extending the time frame from Civil War until the US gives up or declares a second victory.
The Iraqis themselves want a unified government according to every poll I have seen:

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58% One unified Government
28% Regional states under a federal government
14% Separate independent states


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It removes a potential enemy from the region.
What enemy the Iraqi insurgency? They were no enemy to us.

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It creates another potential ally in the region.
You think the people of Iraq or going to like us after we are responsible for 600,000+ deaths of their citizens?

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It will encourage democratic reforms in other Middle East nations.
Like where?

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It will create a potential market for us economically.
You mean we are a market for them? Oil.

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It will demonstrate our sincerity where spreading democracy is concerned.
By torturing our captives?
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We are going to have to put up bases all over the country and pretty much keep the peace in Iraq for as long as it's around.
We didnt have to do that with Germany or Japan. Why do you assume we will have to do that with Iraq?
They already had a government in place.

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Do you think people are going to forget about the centuries old feuds they have with the other factions?
Black Americans seem to have gotten over that whole slavery thing. And slavery is a lot worse than religious differences. So yeah, I think the Iraqis can get beyond their differences too.
Ask any black american if they have forgotten about slavery, or any Jewish person if they have forgotten about the Holocaust.

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THERE WILL NEVER BE PEACE IN IRAQ.
Keep hoping. It would be disasterous for the Democrats if you were wrong.
Keep hoping there will be while our soldiers keep dying trying to make the impossible possible.

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The only way to MAYBE achieve peace is to give each faction a separate country short of that you are just extending the time frame from Civil War until the US gives up or declares a second victory.
The Iraqis themselves want a unified government according to every poll I have seen:

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Which of the following structures do you think Iraq should have?

58% One unified Government
28% Regional states under a federal government
14% Separate independent states


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h...raqpollnew.pdf
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You: We are going to have to put up bases all over the country and pretty much keep the peace in Iraq for as long as it's around.

Me: We didnt have to do that with Germany or Japan. Why do you assume we will have to do that with Iraq?

They already had a government in place.
So does Iraq.

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Ask any black american if they have forgotten about slavery, or any Jewish person if they have forgotten about the Holocaust.
I dont see them blowing up white people over it. They manage to live civilly with the rest of us. Why will Iraq be different?

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Keep hoping there will be while our soldiers keep dying trying to make the impossible possible.
They werent conscripted...every single soldier in the military is there because they chose to be.

The Iraqis themselves want a unified government according to every poll I have seen:

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Me: Which of the following structures do you think Iraq should have?

I want a bj from J-Lo doesn't mean I'm going to get it.
The poll proves that they have a desire to get beyond their differences.

(And you wouldnt want a bj from J-Lo...J-Lo gives horrible blow jobs)
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