POLL - Is this an example of supporting terrorists? - Page 12

Sadistic-Savior · #**111** (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 12:48 PM

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Me: It removes a potential enemy from the region.

What enemy the Iraqi insurgency? They were no enemy to us.

They include elements such as Al-Queada...who are known enemies.

It creates another potential ally in the region.

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You think the people of Iraq or going to like us after we are responsible for 600,000+ deaths of their citizens?

Yes. How many Japanese did we kill in WW2? Things change.

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Me: It will encourage democratic reforms in other Middle East nations.

Like where?

Pick a nation. The chance for reform there will be greater if the Iraqi democracy is successful.

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Me: It will create a potential market for us economically.

You mean we are a market for them? Oil.

If you are going to put words in my mouth, why ask me at all?

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Me: It will demonstrate our sincerity where spreading democracy is concerned.

By torturing our captives?

By not abandoning them before the process is complete.

Revolutionary · #**112** (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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You: We are going to have to put up bases all over the country and pretty much keep the peace in Iraq for as long as it's around.

Me: We didnt have to do that with Germany or Japan. Why do you assume we will have to do that with Iraq?

They already had a government in place.

So does Iraq.

An installed government now.

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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Ask any black american if they have forgotten about slavery, or any Jewish person if they have forgotten about the Holocaust.

I dont see them blowing up white people over it. They manage to live civilly with the rest of us. Why will Iraq be different?

Just cause they aren't blowing us up does not make them our ally. What Iraqi has tried to blow up Americans (excluding soldiers who invaded their country)?

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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Keep hoping there will be while our soldiers keep dying trying to make the impossible possible.

They werent conscripted...every single soldier in the military is there because they chose to be.

The majority of the soldiers don't want to be there anymore OR think we should withdraw in the near future. I think they have a better understanding of the war than you.

Revolutionary · #**113** (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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Me: It removes a potential enemy from the region.

What enemy the Iraqi insurgency? They were no enemy to us.

They include elements such as Al-Queada...who are known enemies.

It creates another potential ally in the region.

If we haven't removed the enemy in the region in the last 60 years what makes you think we can do it now?

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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You think the people of Iraq or going to like us after we are responsible for 600,000+ deaths of their citizens?

Yes. How many Japanese did we kill in WW2? Things change.

We were dealing with a government not extremists.

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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Me: It will encourage democratic reforms in other Middle East nations.

Like where?

Pick a nation. The chance for reform there will be greater if the Iraqi democracy is successful.

Key word

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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Me: It will demonstrate our sincerity where spreading democracy is concerned.

By torturing our captives?

By not abandoning them before the process is complete.

Haven't they voted to have us leave the country, seems like we should leave if we are worried about democracy.

Sadistic-Savior · #**114** (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 03:38 PM

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Me: We didnt have to do that with Germany or Japan. Why do you assume we will have to do that with Iraq?

You: They already had a government in place.

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So does Iraq.

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An installed government now.

Not any more "installed" than German or Japan's government was.

I dont see them blowing up white people over it. They manage to live civilly with the rest of us. Why will Iraq be different?

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You: Ask any black american if they have forgotten about slavery, or any Jewish person if they have forgotten about the Holocaust.

Me: I dont see them blowing up white people over it. They manage to live civilly with the rest of us. Why will Iraq be different?

Just cause they aren't blowing us up does not make them our ally. What Iraqi has tried to blow up Americans (excluding soldiers who invaded their country)?

My point is that blacks do not view whites as an advasary in the way that Shia's view Sunnis...even though that was once the case in our history. If we recovered from that kind of strife, what makes you think Shias and Sunnis in Iraq cannot learn to get along as well?

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The majority of the soldiers don't want to be there anymore OR think we should withdraw in the near future.

Please post evidence to support that claim.

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I think they have a better understanding of the war than you.

At least they do until they disagree with you...

Revolutionary · #**115** (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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Me: We didnt have to do that with Germany or Japan. Why do you assume we will have to do that with Iraq?

You: They already had a government in place.

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So does Iraq.

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An installed government now.

Not any more "installed" than German or Japan's government was.

I dont see them blowing up white people over it. They manage to live civilly with the rest of us. Why will Iraq be different?

If you want to talk about WWII, let's talk about Israel. I think that move is more inline with what we are talking about here.

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

My point is that blacks do not view whites as an advasary in the way that Shia's view Sunnis...even though that was once the case in our history. If we recovered from that kind of strife, what makes you think Shias and Sunnis in Iraq cannot learn to get along as well?

Black people were never hostile towards white people, white people were hostile towards them. The Civil Rights movement was very peaceful for the most part. The American Civil War was a war between white people.

Sunnis and Shias have been at each others throats for centuries.

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Originally Posted by Sadistic-Savior";p=&quot

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The majority of the soldiers don't want to be there anymore OR think we should withdraw in the near future.

Please post evidence to support that claim.

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U.S. Troops in Iraq: 72% Say End War in 2006

* Le Moyne College/Zogby Poll shows just one in five troops want to heed Bush call to stay “as long as they are needed”
* While 58% say mission is clear, 42% say U.S. role is hazy
* Plurality believes Iraqi insurgents are mostly homegrown
* Almost 90% think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11, most don’t blame Iraqi public for insurgent attacks
* Majority of troops oppose use of harsh prisoner interrogation
* Plurality of troops pleased with their armor and equipment

An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year, and more than one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075

I think I might make a thread about that actually

scottdavis3 · #**116** (**permalink**) 06-06-2007, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by paul111";p=&quot

Even if Saddam did pay families of suicide bombers, is that a good reason to invade another country and plunge it into a civil war?
The Terrorists were NOT IN IRAQ!!!
NO WMDs!!
Saddam was not even close to making WMDs.
Nothing has been found.

Other Dictators are closer than Saddam ever was to making WMDs and supporting terrorists yet the USA is doing nothing.
Iran is clearly supporting terrorism.
Iran has clearly threaten Israel in many speeches by it's dictator.
There is Proof by Iranian weapons found in Iraq.
Pakistan is harbouring Terrorists.
There is Proof along the borders.
Yet the States sit back and do NOTHING!!

If you are going to justify this war based on what Saddam "wanted to do,"
Then you have to apply the same justifications to all the other Dictators.
AND the States have to take the same actions as they did in Iraq.

How can it be right to invade Iraq and not right to do the same actions toward another country that clearly supports terrorism?

he said as much recently....He wants to be a dictator. The fact that he went after this particular one is a personal hatred, I think.

Dictatorship is horrible for people, but good for business.

good treatment of folks over profit is definitely not this murderer's way.

View Poll Results: In the example below, was Saddam supporting terrorists?
Yes, the suicide bombers were terrorists, but Saddam was not supporting terrorism by paying their families after they blew themselves up.	4	19.05%
Yes, the suicide bombers are terrorists and Saddam was supporting terrorism by paying their families after they blew themselves up.	15	71.43%
No, the suicide bombers were not terrorists, and Saddam was not supporting terrorim by paying their familes after they blew themselves up.	2	9.52%
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