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View Poll Results: In the example below, was Saddam supporting terrorists?
Yes, the suicide bombers were terrorists, but Saddam was not supporting terrorism by paying their families after they blew themselves up. 4 19.05%
Yes, the suicide bombers are terrorists and Saddam was supporting terrorism by paying their families after they blew themselves up. 15 71.43%
No, the suicide bombers were not terrorists, and Saddam was not supporting terrorim by paying their familes after they blew themselves up. 2 9.52%
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Old 06-01-2007, 07:41 AM
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Me: Why is it so hard for you people to answer a simple question? Was Saddam supporting terrorism in this example or not?

Like I said just about everyone and every country could be said to support terrorism, read the definition. The question is biased to support the anwsers you want.
So you answer is "I dont want to answer your question because you didnt ask the question I wanted you to ask", correct?


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Why not ask is this justification for the war?
Who is stopping you from doing that?

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The reason I didnt post it is because the question has been asked on this forum already dozens of times of the years. Why? Because you won't get the anwsers you want.
How do you know that? Do a search...I have been on here for years, and have participated in several threads which ask that same question almost verbatum. Unlike you, I am not afraid of answering questions.

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Give me the name of one world leader who is not by definition a terrorist or supports terrorists.
George Bush.

Give me an example of how Bush is a terrorist or has supported terrorism.

btw...why exactly did you not include a link to your source for that definition? I always get suspicious when people refuse to provide their sources.

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ter·ror·ism (těr'ə-rĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism
No, Bush does not fit that definition.
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Give me the name of one world leader who is not by definition a terrorist or supports terrorists.
George Bush.

Give me an example of how Bush is a terrorist or has supported terrorism.

btw...why exactly did you not include a link to your source for that definition? I always get suspicious when people refuse to provide their sources.

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ter·ror·ism (těr'ə-rĭz'əm) Pronunciation Key
n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Here is the link, I gave you the name of website dictionary.com I'm sure it would be hard to look it up.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorist
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism

So I'll use your definition.....use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or group to coerce a country often for ideological reasons.

Bush is a terrorist by using force against Iraq in order to enforce democracy upon them.

Before you jump on me for being anti-American try to prove using the definition you gave that he is not.

The administration has picked the word terrorism so that they can have justification to attack anyone they want and you play right into......because terrorism bad....Bush good.
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... or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
Actually, it could be argued that Bush does qualify. "Do X or we may/will attack you/bomb you" fits. That is quite clearly a threat by W to use force against a sovereign country's property with the intention of coercing them to do what he wants. Hence, it fits the definition perfectly.

That's not to say I like the definition much. Because any threatened use of force, even in self defense, with the intention of coercing a society or government would be terrorism. I simply don't agree that it is. But if you accept that definition W is indeed a terrorist.
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Yes, that was subsidizing (and thus supporting) terrorism. However, the terrorism was being perpetrated against Israel, not the United States, and so was not justification for intervention. This isn't anti-Semitism; this is simply a matter of our military's responsibility, which doesn't extend beyond our borders. I might add that America's government was quite active in supporting terror in Indonesia in the 1960's and in El Salvador in the 1980's.
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And in Afghanistan in the 1980's, as well.
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Bush is a terrorist by using force against Iraq in order to enforce democracy upon them.
So you are saying that Bush violence against the People of iraq if they refused to have democracy "forced" on them.

Give me an example of something he said that you consider to be such a threat. Quote him.

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Before you jump on me for being anti-American
I do not really care whether or not you are anti-American in the context of this discussion. I am taking issue with your definition, not your politics.

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The have picked the word terrorism so they can have justification to attack anyone they want and you play right into
I do not believe the definition applies to Bush, because Bush has never threatened the Iraqi People with violence if they refuse to do what he wants.

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Here is the link, I gave you the name of website dictionary.com I'm sure it would be hard to look it up.
If it is so easy, why didnt you post it?
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One nation attacking another nation is not terrorism.
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Yes, that was subsidizing (and thus supporting) terrorism. However, the terrorism was being perpetrated against Israel, not the United States, and so was not justification for intervention. This isn't anti-Semitism; this is simply a matter of our military's responsibility, which doesn't extend beyond our borders.
That is not necessarily true. It extends to our allies as well. Israel is a Non-NATO ally.

However, this was never the reason for the invasion. And the invasion was never the subject of this thread. Certain liberals on this forum have a problem answering questions without going on tangents (or even answering them at all, because the answers do not support their ideology).
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Certain liberals on this forum have a problem answering questions without going on tangents (or even answering them at all, because the answers do not support their ideology).
Hey! I answered your question. You never said that I couldn't go off on a tangent.
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Actually, it could be argued that Bush does qualify.
Argued wrongly, yes.

The word "terrorism" is not applied to conflicts between nations. Only to conflicts between individuals or ideological groups.

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That is quite clearly a threat by W to use force against a sovereign country's property
No, that is a threat made by AMERICA against another nation. Bush does not have dioctatorial powers, therefore the decision is not only his.

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That's not to say I like the definition much.
It doesnt really matter whether or not you like it. Your definition is wrong either way.

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Because any threatened use of force, even in self defense, with the intention of coercing a society or government would be terrorism.
Then explain to me why we do not call people terrorists who threaten in self defense.
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