Thread: Intellectual Property is not property

Originally Posted by MissJonelyn

Life is one most important value. But if you say by yourself and never moved all day long eventually you would die. Therefore your life requires effort in order to survive, either physical effort or physiological effort. The product of that physical or physiological effort is Private Property. No one would work hard to develop anything if they knew someone else could reap the benefits of their property.

and your point is .....

Originally Posted by DominorVobis

and your point is .....

The cow jumped over the moon?

Originally Posted by DominorVobis

OK ... Poor example #2 as for "defending IP laws"

I see a solution to a problem a group of people have, a computer software solution. I borrow $50000 to cover my living expenses and sit down and write the killer app to end all apps. I sell a copy to you for $30 and you make a 1,000,000 copies and sell them for $5 flooding the market.

I support IP laws. I need no examples. In the beginning of this thread we had to separate medicine examples from normal market examples to get a genuine debate going as the other side just kept throwing, "so you support people dying?", in our faces. I just don't want to see the thread go back in that direction is all. I'm on your side.

Originally Posted by DominorVobis

There are a lot of people who want everything for nothing and the right to claim it all as theirs

There are even more that want everything for fifty cents, in exchange for the rights of ownership, and a booming portfolio.

Originally Posted by Til the Last Drop

I support IP laws. I need no examples. In the beginning of this thread we had to separate medicine examples from normal market examples to get a genuine debate going as the other side just kept throwing, "so you support people dying?", in our faces. I just don't want to see the thread go back in that direction is all. I'm on your side.

IP rights are not the problem in the medical field. Patents don't stay permanent in when it comes to drugs. The problem is that the FDA charges millions of dollars to have drug companies tests and approve their drugs. Pharmaceutics companies make up their cost while the patent is still on the drug through higher prices.

Again, the FDA screws everything up.

Originally Posted by MissJonelyn

IP rights are not the problem in the medical field. Patents don't stay permanent in when it comes to drugs. The problem is that the FDA charges millions of dollars to have drug companies tests and approve their drugs. Pharmaceutics companies make up their cost while the patent is still on the drug through higher prices.

Again, the FDA screws everything up.

Drug companies with no government regulatory body, the mind boggled and the little dog laughed.

Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen

Whatever did software developers do prior to 1981? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_v._Diehr)



Saying that because someone benefits from a state-granted monopoly, that monopoly is "certainly" property is a circular argument. I also don't think you can prove your allegation that Edison greatly improved on existing technology with new inventions simply because he was able to patent them.

People innovate because innovations frequently lead to immediate payoff or because they want to see things done better. That you want them to earn a great deal more on their innovations does not make those innovations property.

ROFL! There were very very very few prior to 1981 and they lived not much of an existence.

I have a nephew with the #1 iTunes game in (2) significant countries. The kid is a millionaire prior to the age of 30. I work for a software company that would have never created the software we use which lowers 60% of the electric bills in the U.S.A. You are talking out of your ass.

Originally Posted by DominorVobis

Drug companies with no government regulatory body, the mind boggled and the little dog laughed.

Who said that drug companies don't need a regulatory body? I'm merely proposing that it's a Government institution which does more harm than good.

Originally Posted by MissJonelyn

IP rights are not the problem in the medical field. Patents don't stay permanent in when it comes to drugs. The problem is that the FDA charges millions of dollars to have drug companies tests and approve their drugs. Pharmaceutics companies make up their cost while the patent is still on the drug through higher prices.

Again, the FDA screws everything up.

As long as medicine is profit driven no cure for cancer will be found, or if found by an independent source, shelved. This is the nature of profit, and the profit is in keeping cancer around. The rest is all moot to this original fact. I like the cures for modern health inconveniences. I just simply think we need state AND private medicine. Of course, when our state is for sale to the highest bidder, it makes any genuine solution not applicable. And NEWS FLASH, like large firms like EPA regulations, large drug firms LOVE FDA regulations. It means no new players can ever afford to get in the game. Don't confuse crony capitalism with real capitalism or democratic socialism.

Originally Posted by DominorVobis

Drug companies with no government regulatory body, the mind boggled and the little dog laughed.

Drugs are beyond big business and more corrput than any other "business", left up to their uncheck "business" tactics, we'd have all already been dead by now.