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Old 06-21-2007, 08:55 AM
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Tell me if I have any of these facts wrong, please:
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1. His dad was a Muslim, when Obama was born....in Islam, this makes him born a Muslim. (And no, not just because his middle name is the same as Saddam's last name.)
His dad was born a Muslim, but was essentially atheist/agnostic. And anyway, he left when Obama was two years old. Obama was raised Catholic.

I have no idea what "blood rules" radical Islamists might impose on such things; the ones I've heard about mostly seem to deal with people who are believers themselves, and then switch.

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3. He also went to an Islamic school, oversees, for the first X years of his life.
No he didn't. He lived for five years in Indonesia (ages 4-8, I believe), where he attended a Catholic school and then a local elementary. Most of the students at the second school were Muslim because most Indonesians are Muslim. But it was not an "Islamic" school.

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4. The Islamic texts say to KILL apostates, just like Mohammad did.
And other parts say to be kind and tolerant with non-Muslims. And anyway most Muslims ignore the violent parts, just like most Christians ignore Leviticus.

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5. Obama *chose* to leave Islam, to become a Christian.
No, he didn't.

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6. Incredibly, even today, Muslims want to kill apostates. I read a CNN article about Abdel Rahman (sp?) who converted to Christianity like Obama, and was going to be killed by the UN-approved GOVERNMENT of Afghanistan recently, until he was wisked away by Italian authorities to a civilized nation.
Yep. Except for some details.
http://midtopia.blogspot.com/2006/03...ce-hedges.html

The Afghan court threw out the charges, albeit on a technicality and under international pressure. Rahman then sought and received asylum.

But again, a global majority of Muslims don't do that.

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7. He'd be the leader of the one country standing in the way, the most (and the "Great Satan" according to Hizbollah), of the world-wide Caliphate that Muslims want. This only gives them MORE reason to want to kill this particular apostate....I'm not sure that anybody on the planet would deserve it MORE, in their minds?
As if they need any more motivation to try to take down a U.S. president.
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What AQ really fears the most would be a stable, free, prosperous, Israel-friendly, UN-friendly, ant-terrorist (read "civilized"), secular democracy on Muslim soil, where women and people of other religions are treated as equals!
I think Al-Qaeda doesn't really care if we're there. They know we're not going to win this "war" so if we're there then thats good because they can kill us, but if we leave then thats good too.

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Colin-D: do you agree with civilized peoples that Islamic terrorists should be erradicated? I assume that you do, of course, as you seem quite reasonable.
I agree that terrorists in general should be erradicated. I think the emphasis on Islamic is kind of unnecessary.
I appreciate your feedback.

But since 90 percent of ALL terrorism is linked to the sects of just one religion (there are about 4300 total religious sects in the world today) it DOES become the problem!

What a waste of time it would be to target those millions of Bhuddist terrorists, or Amish terrorists, etc. Heh heh.

Our limited man-power must be directed at males, who are Muslim, who are between 19 and 36 years old, from Muslim-majority nations. This demographic's tendencies to commit terrorism are INCREDIBLY HIGHER than say a christian, 60 years old, from Canada, who is a women.....incredibly higher.

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It is the area, not the religion, that is what I'm saying. The ME is a very violent place, That's why Muslims in America are so much less likely to be terrorists.
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