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Old 06-21-2007, 07:11 AM
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Default Definition of a cult

The neocons like to attack other religions and cultures as inferior - look at what may be coming to one of their candidates:


Characteristics Associated with Cultic Groups - Revised
Janja Lalich, Ph.D. & Michael D. Langone, Ph.D.

Concerted efforts at influence and control lie at the core of cultic groups, programs, and relationships. The following list of social-structural, social-psychological, and interpersonal behavioral patterns commonly found in cultic environments may be helpful in assessing a particular group or relationship.



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‪The group displays excessively zealous and unquestioning commitment to its leader and (whether he is alive or dead) regards his belief system, ideology, and practices as the Truth, as law.
hmmm, our leader is a living saint - our first leader got a list made of gold - yours got one made of only stone.

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Questioning, doubt, and dissent are discouraged or even punished.
excommunication is common

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‪The leadership dictates, sometimes in great detail, how members should think, act, and feel (for example, members must get permission to date, change jobs, marry—or leaders prescribe what types of clothes to wear, where to live, whether or not to have children, how to discipline children, and so forth).
hmm, no Coke, but you can drink Pepsi, wear long johns, only marry other people like us....

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‪The group is elitist, claiming a special, exalted status for itself, its leader(s) and members (for example, the leader is considered the Messiah, a special being, an avatar—or the group and/or the leader is on a special mission to save humanity).
again, our leader is the true leader

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The group has a polarized us-versus-them mentality, which may cause conflict with the wider society.
for obvious reasons

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The leadership induces feelings of shame and/or guilt iin order to influence and/or control members. Often, this is done through peer pressure and subtle forms of persuasion.
if you know one you know what this means

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The group is preoccupied with bringing in new members.
but only 2 years at a time

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The group is preoccupied with making money.
unquestionable

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‪Members are expected to devote inordinate amounts of time and a percentage of their earnings to the group and group-related activities.
bingo! the most money collected in the history of politics

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Members are encouraged or required to live and/or socialize only with other group members.
so true

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The most loyal members (the “true believers”) feel there can be no life outside the context of the group. They believe there is no other way to be, and often fear reprisals to themselves or others if they leave (or even consider leaving) the group.
documented over and over again.
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Cults require keeping members away from other information sources. Neo-cons don't do that... unless they're in the President's administration.
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Cults require keeping members away from other information sources. Neo-cons don't do that... unless they're in the President's administration.
They do on Sundays
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Get this crap off the site. G Bush is a good man, and he's not German or occultist!
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Get this crap off the site. G Bush is a good man, and he's not German or occultist!
Didn't know Bush was running for president.
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Comparing Neo Cons to Nazi's?

That's a good one.

If only you had some examples of Nazi like tendencies of the Neo Cons. Tell me where exactly do the Neo Cons preach about exterminating a whole race of people or enslaving them? Find me some evidence of this.

Neo Cons to a cult as well.
Another cracker there.

Again, cult like tendencies? Worshipping a dead leader and restricting access to information hmm, sounds like most regimes in the world and religons. Mao is an icon in China and they worship him, calling the government of China a cult? A Cult is a small dedicated group of extremists, not a government, ideology, religon.

Just another person who thinks that god forbid we try and install democracy. You know it is democratic imperialism and frankly there should be more of it.
Gives people the best form of government in the world and prevents conflict with the country in future once democracy has been installed. But you know just leave them alone, let's not help people.
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Comparing Neo Cons to Nazi's?

That's a good one.

If only you had some examples of Nazi like tendencies of the Neo Cons. Tell me where exactly do the Neo Cons preach about exterminating a whole race of people or enslaving them? Find me some evidence of this.

Neo Cons to a cult as well.
Another cracker there.

Again, cult like tendencies? Worshipping a dead leader and restricting access to information hmm, sounds like most regimes in the world and religons. Mao is an icon in China and they worship him, calling the government of China a cult? A Cult is a small dedicated group of extremists, not a government, ideology, religon.

Just another person who thinks that god forbid we try and install democracy. You know it is democratic imperialism and frankly there should be more of it.
Gives people the best form of government in the world and prevents conflict with the country in future once democracy has been installed. But you know just leave them alone, let's not help people.
who said Nazi?

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The description had nothing to do with Nazis. It was a general description of a cult. Yes, the Nazis had things in common with a cult... but so did Christianity when it was founded.
Just like both Jesus and Hitler are examples of a charismatic leader.

Simplifying this into "neo-cons equivalent to nazis" is like saying the above comment means I'm saying "Jesus is equivalent to Hitler"

Two different things can have the same classification in some dimension without being the same thing completely.
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Another complete strawman post from nomore...what a shock
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Another complete strawman post from nomore...what a shock
Oh, don't pretend you don't know which candidate I'm talking about.
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