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Old 07-14-2004, 08:42 PM
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Yup. Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump, CEO of Halliburton come to mind immediately.
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Disagree also with your assessment of democracy where all are equal--I still believe that's mob rule and I'll defend the greater virtues of a representative republic because tho we're all equal in a one-man-one-vote sense, we're all very different indivuduals. Where a group of individuals can live differently than another group of individuals but still have equal impact on government, that's more fair than a bigger group dominating a smaller group. Each can live the way they choose without dictating to the other.

When ya live like you want to and your neighbors can live like they want to and nobody's rights steamroller anybody else's rights, THAT'S what real liberty's all about.
But real liberty cannot be found in a communist system because the individual's rights are forfeighted to the community. When the community takes precedence over the individual, then you have real "mob rule."
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Default Marxism is flawed... of course.

Marxism of course adheres to the philosophy of dialectical materialism. Any such philosophy which does so, is inherantly flawed. Marxism fails to take into account the primacy of the individual over the collective. It fails to recognize that there are certain absolute truths, i.e.... it is wrong for the community to spurn the individual's god-given rights, and any society in which the individual is not protected from the whim of the community, is an immoral society. Yes, morality is a real true concept. Marxism fails to recognize this. Instead it turns to a false philosophy which locates what is real in material, and ignores the truth of virtue.
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But real liberty cannot be found in a communist system because the individual's rights are forfeighted to the community. When the community takes precedence over the individual, then you have real "mob rule."
Tell it to Bill Gates and Pfizer, sweetie. They don't appear to understand that. If Marxism is so flawed, explain to me why Pfizer--among others--embrace its principles.
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Yup. Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch, Donald Trump, CEO of Halliburton come to mind immediately.
And how many people are employed, making a good living and perhaps even getting rich because of the actions of these despicable people.

Sounds you you're just jealous of their success. But that's no suprise either.
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Why don't you ask that question to all those Microsoft employees that were part-time/temp so that Gates could avoid paying real employees benefits? There was a class action lawsuit that Gates lost over that. Haven't you heard?

An economic dictator is as bad as a political dictator--no choice.
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Why don't you ask that question to all those Microsoft employees that were part-time/temp so that Gates could avoid paying real employees benefits? There was a class action lawsuit that Gates lost over that. Haven't you heard?

An economic dictator is as bad as a political dictator--no choice.
So your saying these people were shackled to their desks. Perhaps their families were threatened with death if they did not accept MS terms of employment? Don't think so. They were all free to find other jobs. And there are always jobs avilable for those that WANT TO WORK.

As far as class action suits are concerned the only ones to profit from those are the slime ball attorneys that manufacture these claimes.

Nice try comrade. Perhaps if you redirected your endeavors to making money instead of whining about the so called inequities of this great country you would probobly see your bank accounts grow and youe juvinile attitudes change.
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And there are always jobs avilable for those that WANT TO WORK.
Stop. Pull your head out of your butt. Clean it off. Rethink what you just said.

Jobs? Now? Are you crazy? Maybe minnimum wage gas station attendant positions. I havent been able to find a job this whole summer.
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Communism is not a political belief its a economic system. There could be a fascist commune. Socialism is a political belief. Workers rights etc. Communism makes implementing socialism allot easier.

I don't understand why everyone doesn't want equal rights and equal pay for everyone. We live in a age where its possible for us all to live great lives. The technolagys there but no-one can think outside there own tiny box. Were all trying just as hard to get by and shouldn't life reward effort and not ability? Why can't people forget there differences and band together, so everyone can live a better life? Why can't people just share what they have instead selfishly stabbing others in the back just so there lives can be that little bit better? Why can't people support socialism?
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Because we are humans.

Long answer, it is contrary to human nature. It would be very hard to get the richer to surrender their wealth to the poorer for no return.

PS: How did you get that socialism and communism aren't related? According to Marxist theory, the "evolution" of society is feudalism > capitalism > socialism > communism. I'm presuming were talking about Marxist communism, unless you would mind stating which other branch of communism is in question.
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