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Old 07-02-2007, 03:20 AM
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Bush is advocating the senate pass the law of the sea treaty. He seems to be coming up with support for new anti-american crap every week lately. Can SOME conservative in washington tackle this (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)??

http://www.cato.org/dailys/03-12-04.html
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Old 07-02-2007, 04:11 PM
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He's hopeless. Bush hasn't been a Republican for going on three years now.

Then again....there haven't been ANY Republicans on Capitol Hill in that timespan, either.
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:49 PM
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It's nice to see that the idea that "Bush is not a conservative" has gotten so much traction.

I mean, I've only been telling y'all that for going on five years now.... (you should have heard some of the pushback I got in the early days of my tenure here - people were actually accusing me of being some kind of liberal or something)....

But, it seems that more and more people are figuring it out.... I guess immigration seems to have been the straw that broke the camel's back - suddenly the "real" conservatives were saying, "hey, wait a minute", and once you start looking around there's no denying what you see.

Poor Bushie. I feel sorry for the guy. On the other hand, let's be fair here - Congress sucks too. In that latter regard, I feel kinda sorrier for the American People. We seem to be getting shafted by forces that most people aren't even aware of. Oh well....

I wonder, whether most people, when they vote, have any sense of "higher consciousness" relative to the "nation at large" - or whether they basically think "only" of themselves when they make political decisions. I mean, I could think of a gazillion examples - ranging from the obvious ones (which usually revolve around moral issues, and what I believe to be "right" must therefore be right for "you" too), to the not-so-obvious ones relating to issues that straddle the boundaries between individual and collective rights.

Hmm....well, I could probably psycho-analyze Bushie in that regard (or at least "try to", relative to his behavior as President), but it's hardly worth it. I can, however, recommend an excellent Bush-humor coffee shop, it's the Un-Urban Cafe on Santa Monica Boulevard, they have a very extensive collection of bumper stickers, gag gifts, a nice digital clock that counts down the time left in Bushie's term (sync'd with the atomic clock in Boulder Colorado), etc. Well worth a check-out.
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:44 AM
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He's hopeless. Bush hasn't been a Republican for going on three years now.

Then again....there haven't been ANY Republicans on Capitol Hill in that timespan, either.
I knew this was coming.
Everyone that supported Bush is now making up excuses not to support him now in an attempt to "Save Face."
His own Rep. Party is distancing themselves from him because they know they don't have a chance to win the next presidential election if they continue to support Bush's policies.

Look at the excuses the REPS are using to distance themselves from the unpopular Iraq war.
The war has not changed in the last two years but now some REPS want a pullout plan.
The same REPS that supported Bush and the war just 2 years ago.
They change their moral convictions just to get elected or re-elected.
They don't have backbones. No politicians have.
They change their views based on public opinion.

The Stupid thing is that BUSH has not changed.
He is still a jerk.
As bad as Bush is, he has never changed his convictions.

I hope the people that never liked Bush with throw it in the face of his past supporters.
They should ask "What Changed?"
What changed between now and two years earlier?
Did the war in Iraq change?
Did the War on Terror change?

Or did "public opinion" just change?
Why did public opinion change?

It's time for America's to ask all the politicians specific questions and hold the politicians to their words.
Don't let them skirt the issues.

It's your safety on the line in this next election.

You blindly supported Bush after 9/11.
You believed everything he dished out.

Look at your country now.
Can you honestly say it has improved under Bush's Administration?
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Look at the excuses the REPS are using to distance themselves from the unpopular Iraq war.
Actually...I never mentioned the Iraq war.
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The war has not changed in the last two years but now some REPS want a pullout plan.
The same REPS that supported Bush and the war just 2 years ago.
They change their moral convictions just to get elected or re-elected.
They don't have backbones. No politicians have.
They change their views based on public opinion.
You just figured that out?

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The Stupid thing is that BUSH has not changed.
He is still a jerk.
As bad as Bush is, he has never changed his convictions.
Wrong. He HAS changed. He's gone from Republican to Demopublican. His convictions have been tainted by popular opinion and straw polls. He's been working "damage control" more than actually working in the best interests of the country.

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I hope the people that never liked Bush with throw it in the face of his past supporters.
You're not helping dissolve the notion that liberals are hate-mongers.
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Or did "public opinion" just change?
Why did public opinion change?
Because the sheep are fickle and selfish. Not to mention the media has been hammering him incessantly. The best boxers in the world still go down, if hit enough times.

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You blindly supported Bush after 9/11.
You believed everything he dished out.
No, my friend...it's "everything THEY dished out." All your glorious liberal idols voted for the war as well. sKerry, the Hildabeast, The Breck Girl...all of them voted FOR the war, whether they want to admit it or not. Furthermore, I can't say that I supported "Bush" after 9/11. I supported ramming untold cruise missiles up untold Islamic Fascists' bums, and sending them to their little sand nap in the sky.

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Look at your country now.
Can you honestly say it has improved under Bush's Administration?
Has there been a terrorist attack since? No. Are we still the country that the world is still jealous of? Yes (other than hate-mongers like you). Do we have people on welfare who have a better quality of life than some of the "richest" people in third world countries? Yes.
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Wrong. He HAS changed. He's gone from Republican to Demopublican. His convictions have been tainted by popular opinion and straw polls. He's been working "damage control" more than actually working in the best interests of the country.
He never did anything for anybody but himself. He never did anything for this country's best interests. Bush cares about Bush and maybe some of his cronies, apparently he cares enough about scooter to commute his sentence and probably pardon him in the future.

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You're not helping dissolve the notion that liberals are hate-mongers.
That is just an odd statement. How are liberals hate mongers? They strive for equality for everybody. Do republicans? No, they make laws abridging the rights of others just because they are different.

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No, my friend...it's "everything THEY dished out." All your glorious liberal idols voted for the war as well. sKerry, the Hildabeast, The Breck Girl...all of them voted FOR the war,
Obama didn't.

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whether they want to admit it or not. Furthermore, I can't say that I supported "Bush" after 9/11. I supported ramming untold cruise missiles up untold Islamic Fascists' bums, and sending them to their little sand nap in the sky.
Hate mongering?

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Has there been a terrorist attack since? No.
How many terrorist attacks happened before he took office? Not too many. Thats like neglecting a child til it dies then 6 years later saying I didn't neglect this one, it didn't die! I'm an awesome parent!

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Are we still the country that the world is still jealous of? Yes (other than hate-mongers like you).
I disagree, if you read what other countries have to say about us, they don't like us. They're not jealous, they are hateful. Tony Blair's legacy was tarnished because he sided with Bush so much.

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Do we have people on welfare who have a better quality of life than some of the "richest" people in third world countries? Yes.
Wow! We're better than third world countries!!!! Bush is a great president!! It wasn't like that before Bush got elected!!!
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Uh, Jake? That link is from March 2004.

Try this one for a more recent statement by Bush supporting the treaty:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0070515-2.html

We've signed it, BTW, and consider much of it binding on us. Do you oppose the whole treaty, or is yours the customary objection to Part XI?
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The Stupid thing is that BUSH has not changed.
He is still a jerk.
As bad as Bush is, he has never changed his convictions.
Wrong. He HAS changed. He's gone from Republican to Demopublican. His convictions have been tainted by popular opinion and straw polls. He's been working "damage control" more than actually working in the best interests of the country.
I don't think Bushie understands the best interests of the country. I don't think he'd know them even if they came up and bit him in the face.

I mean, look, this is really sad. I could point to examples all across the map. How about "no child left with a dime" (just to pull an example out of a hat)? I mean, here we are, raising a generation of morons, and robots whose knowledge space is virtually identical and who are therefore exceptionally susceptible to ideological manipulation.... think about it - what kind of twisted logic could get from "test scores" to the "best interests of the country"? HELLO?

This is the kind of crap that makes Bushie who he is. THe man isn't really stupid, he's just got a very distorted and narrow view of the world. He thinks he can run the country like a CEO would run a company, and that may be true as far as it goes, but it tends to ignore other important things - maybe little things like statesmanship, for example.

I mean - think of the lost opportunities in the area of "statesmanship", during Bushie's tenure. THe middle east is in flames, and I'm not talking about just Iraq, and it's spreading into Africa and other parts of the world, and Bushie thinks he can solve this equation by "Retaining control of the vital oil production areas"? HELLO?

And what about bypassing friendly foreign governmentsd (ALLIES) and directly co-opting high-ranking individuals within sensitive institutions (like banking for instance) to essentially serve as US spies, passing private information on to a foreign government. HELLO?

No, I'm afraid it's a lot worse than Bushie just being ignorant. My opinion is, the man is actually a menace. He's a menace to the American People. He's set this country back at least twenty years in some very critical areas, education, research, defense, international relations..... the list goes on. And domestically, he's succeeded in alienating just about every significant voting groups except the very few sheeple who still believe in the fragmented mess that remains of the NeoCon ideology.

Two years ago, I would have guesstimated that the odds might be fifty-fifty, as to whether this country could survive four more years of Bushie without a major disaster. Well, we're two years into the term, and so far, it seems to me, we've gotten incredibly lucky. The funny thing is, that in a cynical sense, maybe it would be best if Bush dues "stay the course", 'cause that way at least we kind of know (more or less) how much damage he's going to cause - I mean, things could be a LOT WORSE if something happens and Bushie does something even stupider than he's done in the past.

Yeah, I agree though, this next election is going to be an important one.

I hope everyone takes this one seriously. You know, in the past, I've largely ignored people who tell me "I'm not going to vote" - and it's usually followed with "because" and then a long list of stupidity - either "my vote is meaningless", or "you can't fight the big parties", stuff like that...... but I'm going to start giving these people an earful this year. 'Cause man, that's a really screwed up attitude, know what I mean?

That's the ONE thing that's probably come out of all this bloodshed associated with Western "development", which is your right to participate in a representative government, and if you choose not to exercise it then I suppose you wouldn't be interested in defending your country either. In that case, you're probably the kind of person who likes to play the violin while Rome is burning, or smoke pot and laugh a lot while your country's political integrity is crumbling, or just shoot some kool-aid and nod out on the couch and pretend none of it matters.

Oh well. /rant

Happy 4th. As you watch the fireworks, please imagine Bushie's brain exploding, and raining down in many colors upon an appreciative nation....

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