Thread: The Nuclear Annihilation of Israel?

Originally Posted by Margot

That could stop instantly if Israel would get out of Shaaba Farms and the Golan Heights.

I don't agree.......it would only temporarily appease until the next concession or geographical landmark is demanded. History provides many examples.

Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

Iran did not start the war in Iraq, the United States did in 2003 and it did so in defiance of the UN Charter which prohibits any nation from initiating military force against another nation without the expressed consent of the UN Security Council.

couls you at least tell the truth about the cause of that war?

Originally Posted by Margot

Shaaba farms belongs to Lebanon and the Golan Heights belongs to Syria..

Give the Israelis YOUR state.

syria should not have picked a fight

Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

Does anyone find it ironic that the US was responsible for the Iranian nuclear energy program? All of the yellow cake uranium in Iran was purchased by the Shah's regime with US support for the Iranian nuclear energy program. The United States has only opposed the country of Iran since the Iranian People revolted agains the despotic rule of the Shah and overthrew his government. While the Iranian People still live under a tyrannical regime it is no where near as bad as the tyranny of the Shah. The Shah was merely one of those tyrannical dictators that the US supported under the policy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and the US was supporting tyranny under the Shah.

Of course oil prices are related to supply and demand. Saudi Arabia and the OPEC nations could, if they choose to, limit supply today and dramatically drive up prices. Iran only produces about 5% of the world's oil supply and is not a major player in world oil production.

I think you are overlooking a few important details. We opposed the country of Iran since they stormed the American embassy taking 52 Americans hostage for 444 days. Further, the purges, murders, and tyranny of the insane fundamentalists harkened back to the 8th century as they carried out reprisals in the form of beheadings, stonings, and lynchings. Not much has changed in these past 30 years except for the various battles we have engaged in using covert forces and proxies. Comparing the tyranny of the Shah to the paranoid, superstitious, and hyper-religious animals who do not value human life is very disingenuous. Iran once had thriving Universities respected around the globe. Due to the secular stance of the government, the people enjoyed freedoms particularly the women. Unlike many other Muslim neighbors, Iran was one of the first to embrace the modern world and technology........... That all ended with the rise of the extremist religious fanatics.

Originally Posted by loong

The Iranian IslamoFascist Terrorist Swine were waiting for the BIGGIE: NUKES .....so that they'd enhance their bargaining power of TERRORISM with more effectiveness.

Right...because VX, ricin, and plague are worthless.

Face facts. Iran has never given WMDs to terrorists nor used them even when their enemies used them on them first.

Originally Posted by wopper stopper

syria should not have picked a fight

Read Moshe Dayan.. Syria didn't pick a fight .. the Israeli planned the six day war beginning in 1953.

They wanted more land and water.

Its was one of their 'pre emptive' strikes on Egypt while Egypt was deployed in Libya fighting the civil war there.

Originally Posted by Ironball

I think you are overlooking a few important details. We opposed the country of Iran since they stormed the American embassy taking 52 Americans hostage for 444 days. Further, the purges, murders, and tyranny of the insane fundamentalists harkened back to the 8th century as they carried out reprisals in the form of beheadings, stonings, and lynchings. Not much has changed in these past 30 years except for the various battles we have engaged in using covert forces and proxies. Comparing the tyranny of the Shah to the paranoid, superstitious, and hyper-religious animals who do not value human life is very disingenuous. Iran once had thriving Universities respected around the globe. Due to the secular stance of the government, the people enjoyed freedoms particularly the women. Unlike many other Muslim neighbors, Iran was one of the first to embrace the modern world and technology........... That all ended with the rise of the extremist religious fanatics.

Were you ever in Iran when the Shah was in power?

I went there frequently with my mother for her bridge tournaments.

It was weird.. so lush for the elite but everyone else was poor as dirt.. and wary. The Shah was kept in place by the SAVAK who were trained like Nazi gestapo..

The students had been protesting for weeks and our intel on the ground in Tehran, Americans who advised the Shah and reported to the US government, were too close to the inner circle..

They never saw it coming.

Originally Posted by Margot

Were you ever in Iran when the Shah was in power?

I went there frequently with my mother for her bridge tournaments.

It was weird.. so lush for the elite but everyone else was poor as dirt.. and wary. The Shah was kept in place by the SAVAK who were trained like Nazi gestapo..

The students had been protesting for weeks and our intel on the ground in Tehran, Americans who advised the Shah and reported to the US government, were too close to the inner circle..

They never saw it coming.

No, I wasn't. I did play a small part in the rescue attempt on the hostages.
My knowledge of Iran before fundamentalism comes from talking with former citizens and reading. The Shah's secular reforms made a lot of enemies with fundamentalists as you can imagine.

I agree that SAVAK were heavy handed and cruel........ and yet I don't recall hearing or reading much that compare to the human rights abuses and disregard for life that we have seen since they came to power. As I mentioned earlier, SAVAK pales in comparison to the atrocities carried out in the purges after the fundamentalists took power IMO.

Originally Posted by Ironball

No, I wasn't. I did play a small part in the rescue attempt on the hostages.
My knowledge of Iran before fundamentalism comes from talking with former citizens and reading. The Shah's secular reforms made a lot of enemies with fundamentalists as you can imagine.

I agree that SAVAK were heavy handed and cruel........ and yet I don't recall hearing or reading much that compare to the human rights abuses and disregard for life that we have seen since they came to power. As I mentioned earlier, SAVAK pales in comparison to the atrocities carried out in the purges after the fundamentalists took power IMO.

This was a revolution that got away from them. I fear that's happening again in Libya..

It wasn't the secular reforms.. it was the students.. The Shah's wealthy friends an aquaintances got out.. They left Iran ...

Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

Does anyone find it ironic that the US was responsible for the Iranian nuclear energy program? All of the yellow cake uranium in Iran was purchased by the Shah's regime with US support for the Iranian nuclear energy program. The United States has only opposed the country of Iran since the Iranian People revolted agains the despotic rule of the Shah and overthrew his government. While the Iranian People still live under a tyrannical regime it is no where near as bad as the tyranny of the Shah. The Shah was merely one of those tyrannical dictators that the US supported under the policy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" and the US was supporting tyranny under the Shah.

Of course oil prices are related to supply and demand. Saudi Arabia and the OPEC nations could, if they choose to, limit supply today and dramatically drive up prices. Iran only produces about 5% of the world's oil supply and is not a major player in world oil production.

libya is also not a major producer of oil but the US felt intervention was neccessary. we have to take out middle eastern regimes who are against our interests or face pain at the pump for our SUVs and pick up trucks

there seems to be a deal with the Saudis and OPEC nations with the west to keep oil prices reasonable and these other rogue regimes like iran threaten that. we will have to support Israel in the strike so that we can continue to drive Hummers.