Thread: The Nuclear Annihilation of Israel?

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel successfully test-fired on Wednesday a missile capable of carrying a nuclear warhead and striking Iran, fanning a public debate over whether the country's leaders are agitating for a military attack on Tehran's atomic facilities.
While Israeli leaders have long warned that a military strike was an option, the most intensive round of public discourse on the subject was ignited over the weekend by a report in the Yediot Ahronot newspaper that said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak favor an attack.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-test-fi...XN0Aw--;_ylv=3

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is seeking cabinet support for a military strike on Iran, the Haaretz newspaper reported on Wednesday, after days of speculation about plans for an attack.

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-specula...XN0Aw--;_ylv=3

This presents a scary scenario as Iran has its nuclear enrichment facilities, the probably target of an Israeli attack, scattered all over the country with some being underground, such as at Isfahan, which are hardened against conventional attacks including the “block buster” bombs that the United States has previously furnished to Israel. The only possible attack that would be successful is a nuclear attack.

So what would the US and other nuclear weapons nations authorized by the NPT do in the event of Israel starting a nuclear war against Iran?

The five nations that are authorized under the NPT to have nuclear weapons have an obligation to the entire world to ensure that any rogue nuclear weapon nation does not start a nuclear war. We cannot allow a nuclear war by any nations and those nations which are authorized to have nuclear weapons must, by all reasonable standards, respond to any nuclear attack with a nuclear response against the attacking nation. I can see no other options available. If the authorized nuclear weapons nations do not respond with nuclear force then nothing prevents any nation from starting a nuclear war.

Will the US, China, Britain, France and Russia respond with nuclear force if Israel initiates a nuclear war against Iran? That is unquestionably what they would need to do if we are to prevent any nation from starting a nuclear war. And we cannot allow Israel or any other nation to start a nuclear war. The same criteria of “mutually assured destruction” which prevented a nuclear war between the former USSR and the US needs to be in place. If Israel starts a nuclear war in must face the consequences of its total annihilation by a nuclear response. We cannot allow Israel or any nation to use nuclear weapons, period.

Israel must be warned that any nuclear attack on any nation for any reason is unacceptable and will result in nuclear retalliation against Israel. This matter is way above any other political considerations. Nuclear wars simply can't be allowed and the threat must be real if we are to avoid the total destruction of all life on Earth through nuclear war.

An interesting thought. I seriously doubt Israel will strike Iran with a nuclear bomb. I do believe that sometime in the future they will destroy Iran's nuclear facilities with conventional weapons.

Yes,Netanyahu addressed the Knesset and gave a dire warning
as to any day now,Israel may strike Iran.It's IN the works.
Don't forget about the secret hit Israel made on a Syrian
nuclear site back a few years ago { 2007 ? }.That wasn't
reported for some time.

Originally Posted by xsited1

An interesting thought. I seriously doubt Israel will strike Iran with a nuclear bomb. I do believe that sometime in the future they will destroy Iran's nuclear facilities with conventional weapons.

Originally Posted by Foolardi

Yes,Netanyahu addressed the Knesset and gave a dire warning
as to any day now,Israel may strike Iran.It's IN the works.
Don't forget about the secret hit Israel made on a Syrian
nuclear site back a few years ago { 2007 ? }.That wasn't
reported for some time.

It would be impossible for Israel to strike with nuclear weapons and for the world not to know it.

An attack with conventional weapons would not stop Iran from enriching uranium as several sites are hardened against conventional attacks including those with the 10,000 blockbuster bombs the US has given to Israel. Such an attack which does not take out all of Irans enrichment facilities would unquestionably lead to Iran producing nuclear weapons as a deterant. Even the ability of Israel to strike Iran with nuclear weapons justifies Iran building nuclear weapons as a deterant against such an attack.

Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

http://news.yahoo.com/israel-test-fi...XN0Aw--;_ylv=3



http://news.yahoo.com/israel-specula...XN0Aw--;_ylv=3

This presents a scary scenario as Iran has its nuclear enrichment facilities, the probably target of an Israeli attack, scattered all over the country with some being underground, such as at Isfahan, which are hardened against conventional attacks including the “block buster” bombs that the United States has previously furnished to Israel. The only possible attack that would be successful is a nuclear attack.

So what would the US and other nuclear weapons nations authorized by the NPT do in the event of Israel starting a nuclear war against Iran?

The five nations that are authorized under the NPT to have nuclear weapons have an obligation to the entire world to ensure that any rogue nuclear weapon nation does not start a nuclear war. We cannot allow a nuclear war by any nations and those nations which are authorized to have nuclear weapons must, by all reasonable standards, respond to any nuclear attack with a nuclear response against the attacking nation. I can see no other options available. If the authorized nuclear weapons nations do not respond with nuclear force then nothing prevents any nation from starting a nuclear war.

Will the US, China, Britain, France and Russia respond with nuclear force if Israel initiates a nuclear war against Iran? That is unquestionably what they would need to do if we are to prevent any nation from starting a nuclear war. And we cannot allow Israel or any other nation to start a nuclear war. The same criteria of “mutually assured destruction” which prevented a nuclear war between the former USSR and the US needs to be in place. If Israel starts a nuclear war in must face the consequences of its total annihilation by a nuclear response. We cannot allow Israel or any nation to use nuclear weapons, period.

Israel must be warned that any nuclear attack on any nation for any reason is unacceptable and will result in nuclear retalliation against Israel. This matter is way above any other political considerations. Nuclear wars simply can't be allowed and the threat must be real if we are to avoid the total destruction of all life on Earth through nuclear war.

Probably the toughest decision the World has ever faced.

Shiva's conclusion is most definitely nigh irrefutable ...... and, the conclusion that will probably prevail because of its apparent soundness.

When I say, "apparent" soundness, there are various degrees of "apparent".

In this particular case, it's like 98% (?) the correct conclusion !

However, let me state the other unspoken but absolutely necessary thought on this, literally, "World shaking" issue.

The alternative thought that one MUST consider (and, probably, every one already did):

What happens when the Nuclear Bombs are in the hands of a seemingly COMMITTED SUICIDE TYPE BOMBER !!!

The "committed suicide type bomber" that is bolstered by a whackjob religious fervor of a non-swayable belief that Allah wills the CONTINUOUS JIHAD NO MATTER WHAT THE RISKS !!!

That when "push comes to shove" doing Allah's work is more important than LIFE itself.

Yeah, we have the North Korean Super Whackjob Kim Il Jong (or whatever the butthole's name is) who is a certifiable Nutso with his back against the wall ...... but this certifiable Butthole WANTS TO LIVE !!!

In the final analysis, for this North Korean Super Whackjob, chocolates, whiskey,adoration, or whatever, OVERRIDES extremely possible DEATH.

This is not the case with RELIGIOUS WHACKJOBS committed to doing Allah's Will.

Another thought analogous to what is facing most of us sooner, or later (?):

There is every indication that if the cancer is not excised (with great risk surgery).......you will die. All the cancer experts agree with this conclusion, except the usual one or two "also experts".

WTF do you do ????

So, what is MY decision ?????

The important question is: WHAT IS YOURS ???

Somebody should take a poll.

Originally Posted by xsited1

An interesting thought. I seriously doubt Israel will strike Iran with a nuclear bomb. I do believe that sometime in the future they will destroy Iran's nuclear facilities with conventional weapons.

There are 22 bomb sites in Iran..

Israel has been threatening Iran since 2002.. I think they won't.. Israel is angling for the US to do it for them.

Originally Posted by loong

The alternative thought that one MUST consider (and, probably, every one already did):

What happens when the Nuclear Bombs are in the hands of a seemingly COMMITTED SUICIDE TYPE BOMBER !!!

The obvious answer is that we must ensure that this doesn't happen and the first step is to stop nations from producing nuclear weapons that could possibly, albeit unlikely, fall into the hands of a terrorist.

Each of the NPT member nations have a responsibility to the entire world to stop nuclear proliferation. They have this responsibility and must do everything in their power to prevent it from happening. We saw that happen related to S Africa which had nuclear weapons and eventually dismantled them. We've also seen serious efforts to disarm N Korea which also has nuclear weapons. Even Iran which admittedly doesn't currently have nuclear weapons is being subjected to serious economic sanctions in an effort to keep Iran from ever producing a nuclear weapon.

Then we have India, Pakistan and Israel that all have nuclear weapons in violation of the NPT and the members of the NPT are doing virtually nothing to force them to dismantle their nuclear arsenals. We're playing politics with something much more dangerous than dynomite and that is foolish. Instead of sending foreign aid and assistance the India, Pakistan and Israel the US, as the greatest military power on Earth, should be leading the world in imposing sanctions that will force these countries to dismantle their nuclear weapons.

We cannot play political favoritism when it comes to anything as devastating as nuclear weapons.

I'm not in favor of the nuclear destruction of Israel but if Israel initiates a nuclear war then I believe it's obligatory for the five authorized nuclear nations to immediately counterstrike with nuclear weapons. I don't believe this should be something "kept secret" from Israel or any other nation. The US, China, France, Britian and Russia should issue a joint world-wide announcement that this is exactly what will happen if Israel or any other nation initiates the use of nuclear weapons. It is the only way that I know of to prevent a nuclear war.

Originally Posted by loong

There is every indication that if the cancer is not excised (with great risk surgery).......you will die. All the cancer experts agree with this conclusion, except the usual one or two "also experts".

WTF do you do ????

Somebody should take a poll.

Depending on where you take a poll will determine who is a cancer and who is a human. I got couple of german shephards who fight in exact same way as the two sides here, but not to stray off topic here in this threads instance, clearly Israel is the one barking up to Iran. to try and see it the other way IMO is criminaly ignorant. besides, the debt the axis of good countries are in also suggest that their cancer is within already

Originally Posted by Margot

There are 22 bomb sites in Iran..

Israel has been threatening Iran since 2002.. I think they won't.. Israel is angling for the US to do it for them.

Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. We know that so there is no reason for an attack at all.

Israel, on the other hand, does have nuclear weapons that need to be destroyed. How many sites would need to be bombed to eliminate the nuclear threat presented by Israel?

Originally Posted by Shiva_TD

Iran does not have a nuclear weapon. We know that so there is no reason for an attack at all.

Israel, on the other hand, does have nuclear weapons that need to be destroyed. How many sites would need to be bombed to eliminate the nuclear threat presented by Israel?

heheheheh.. Israel keeps the pot boiling in order to steal more land and elicit sympathy.. Nothing new.