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Old 07-15-2007, 06:11 AM
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This past weekend, a friend of mine attended his 13-year-old son's baseball game. What he saw encapsulates a major reason many of us fear for the future of America and the West.

His son's team was winning 24-7 as the game entered the last inning. When he looked up at the scoreboard, he noticed that the score read 0-0. Naturally, he inquired as to what happened – was the scoreboard perhaps broken? – and was told that the winning team's coach asked the scoreboard keeper to change the score. He and some of the parents were concerned that the boys on the losing team felt humiliated.

In order to ensure that the boys losing by a lopsided score would not feel too bad, the score was changed.

As is happening throughout America, compassion trumped all other values.

Truth was the first value compassion trashed. In the name of compassion, the adults in charge decided to lie. The score was not 0-0; it was 24-7.

Wisdom was the second value compassion obliterated. It is unwise to the point of imbecilic to believe that the losing boys were in any way helped by changing the score. On the contrary, they learned lessons that will hamper their ability to mature.

They learned that someone will bail them out when they feel bad.

They learned that they do not have to deal with disappointment in life. Instead, someone in authority will take care of them. (This is how reliance on the state for solving personal problems – the worldview of the left – is formed early in life.)

They learned that their feelings, not objective standards, are what society deems most important.

They learned that they are not responsible for their behavior. No matter how poorly they perform, there will be no consequences – sort of like tenure for university professors.

They also learned to think in the feminine – with an emphasis on feelings – rather than to cultivate their innate masculine sense that winners win and losers learn to deal with it and move on to the next game.

At the same time, the boys on the winning team learned not to try their best. Why bother?

Building character was the third value trumped by compassion. People build character far more through handling defeat than through winning. The human being grows up only when forced to deal with disappointment. We remain children until the day we take full responsibility for our lives. Our increasingly feelings-based society has created a pandemic of immaturity in our society. And there are fewer and fewer maturity-creating institutions in our society. Indeed, the opposite is more often the case. Schools, for example, keep young people immature, none more so than college, which serves primarily to postpone adulthood.

The fourth value that compassion denied here was fairness. It is remarkable how often compassion-based liberals speak of "fairness" in formulating social policy given how unfair so many of their policies are. It was entirely unfair to the winning team to have their score expunged, all their work denied. But for the compassion-first crowd, the winning team is like "the rich" who earn "too much" and should therefore be penalized with a higher tax rate; the winning team scored "too many" runs to be allowed to keep them all.

Compassion in social policy almost always produces unfair results. Compassion for murderers allows them to keep their lives after taking the life of another. Compassion for minorities leads to affirmative action, which means that individuals who are not members of a designated minority will be treated unfairly. Compassion for immigrant children led to bilingual education, which subsequently prevented most of those children from advancing in American society.

Compassion as the primary determinant of behavior is effective in personal life. In making public policy, it is a morally and socially destructive guideline. In fact, it is so bad that thinking people must conclude that its primary purpose is to enable policy-makers who are guided by compassion to feel good about themselves.
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Of course overcompassionism is a growing problem in this country, one where criticism needs to get more attention. The focus of this article, however, is not a good example of why it is a problem.

Showing compassion for those who don't succeed is not always detrimental to society. In this case, it was obvious by the last inning what the score was. The official score was not changed; they losers still had to take the humiliating loss on their record. Therefore, they didn't learn that they don't need to take responsibility for their own actions, but rather that their humiliating defeats don't have to be displayed for all to see. That's not something that is expected of people in the real world, either. Besides, although learning to deal with victory and defeat is a part of Little League baseball, the ultimate goal of the sport is simply to have fun. A little bit of compassion was warranted in this case.

It's sad that the author has chosen to overexaggerate this case of compassionate behavior because it only helps make the entire argument against overcompassionism seem silly.
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The official score was not changed; they losers still had to take the humiliating loss on their record.
Its simple English, Joker, the score was changed.
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although learning to deal with victory and defeat is a part of Little League baseball, the ultimate goal of the sport is simply to have fun. A little bit of compassion was warranted in this case.
But the article was not talking about "a little bit of compassion" as you already know.
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It's sad that the author has chosen to overexaggerate this case of compassionate behavior because it only helps make the entire argument against overcompassionism seem silly.
How is the analogy silly? That kind of stuff is exactly what some liberals believe.
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The official score was not changed; they losers still had to take the humiliating loss on their record.
Its simple English, Joker, the score was changed.
The article says the score was changed on the scoreboard. It does not say that the score was officially changed. If you want to make the case that it was officially changed, you'll have to find a separate article that backs that up because I don't believe you.

It was the winning coach who initiated the action. I don't think this plan was to erase a win for this team. The winners still won; the losers still lost. We don't expect adults to display their humiliating failures for all the world to see, so why should we expect it from adolescents at a baseball game?

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although learning to deal with victory and defeat is a part of Little League baseball, the ultimate goal of the sport is simply to have fun. A little bit of compassion was warranted in this case.
But the article was not talking about "a little bit of compassion" as you already know.
That's right. The article was taking a case where a little bit of compassion was shown toward the losers and overexaggerating it to a case of overcompassionism.

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How is the analogy silly? That kind of stuff is exactly what some liberals believe.
Many people besides liberals believe we ought to have some level of empathy towards the "loser." Certainly, such compassion is warranted in our society to some degree. I wouldn't want to live in a culture where there is no compassion for failures, and where losers should expect to be humiliated and degraded by the winners.

I think this case is an acceptable level of compassion. It's certainly not on par with cases of schools eliminating failing grades to help unsuccessful students feel better about themselves.
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It's sad that the author has chosen to overexaggerate this case of compassionate behavior because it only helps make the entire argument against overcompassionism seem silly.

It was silly, the score should have been displayed, and the losing
team should see it and use it as a motivation to do better when they
first seen they was behind. digging your head in the sand is futile in
the reality world.

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It's sad that the author has chosen to overexaggerate this case of compassionate behavior because it only helps make the entire argument against overcompassionism seem silly.

It was silly, the score should have been displayed, and the losing
team should see it and use it as a motivation to do better when they
first seen they was behind. digging your head in the sand is futile in
the reality world.
That's a valid argument. The coach of the winning team, however, disagrees with you, and in the end, it was the winners who learned a valuable lesson-- that you don't always have to publically humiliate those you defeat; it's okay to show aome compassion towards the losers. This is also a valid argument.

The author has overexaggerated the level of negative impact this incident will have on the losers. His long list of "lessons learned" is ludicris.
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you don't always have to publically humiliate those you defeat

My GOD, what the hell?? what is sports for? why don't we just take out
keeping score all together? and should we also see if our enemys will
be nicer to us when they kick our Aurss's?

Lets see, when we loss, we should learn to be sports about it, it builds
good charictor, and we also learn to do a little self analizing to see where
if any we went wrong. it's the whole concept of trying to be better.

Sometimes it's no ones fualt at losing because sometimes even the best
loss, but it's good to learn how to face up to it, and be a good sport about it.
if you take that away, you build people who can't cope with the fact that
there is always going to be other people out there, who are better then
them at somethings.

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you don't always have to publically humiliate those you defeat

My GOD, what the hell?? what is sports for?
Entertainment.

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why don't we just take out keeping score all together?
because then we wouldn't know who won and who lost.

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and should we also see if our enemys will be nicer to us when they kick our Aurss's?
You warmongers can find a way to turn any topic into a discussion about warfare.

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Lets see, when we loss, we should learn to be sports about it, it builds
good charictor, and we also learn to do a little self analizing to see where
if any we went wrong. it's the whole concept of trying to be better.
Exactly. I'm sure those boys had plenty of opportunity for self-analysis even without the scoreboard display of their lose. They were well-aware of the score. Let's give ourselves some credit, please. We don't always need scoreboards displays to realize when we've lost. Public humiliation is not necessary for such self-analysis.

For the record, I'm not suggesting that the scoreboard must be erased in all cases of extremely humiliating defeats in children's sports, but to do so is certainly not on par with the many other examples of real problematic overcompassionism.
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Joker, Now comes the truth, everyone at the game that night
knew what the score was. even after hiding it. so in the minds
of all, who was playing or watching the game, it would still be
Humiliating. so whats the difference? why hide it?

This is so ironic it's stupid, your acting like showing the score would
be like stamping the score on their heads. when the score was in EVERYONE'S
minds anyways. a loser is a loser even if you hide that facts.
also, why are they playing if the possibility of losing exists?
if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

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Joker, Now comes the truth, everyone at the game that night knew what the score was. even after hiding it. so in the minds of all, who was playing or watching the game, it would still be
Humiliating. so whats the difference? why hide it?
Exactly. It's makes no difference whether or not the score is displayed. Everybody already knew the score. It had been displayed throughout the entire game until the last inning. They really didn't even need the scoreboard display at that point. Why not erase it? Nothing changes either way.

I agree that overcompassionism is a real problem in our society. I don't agree that this incident is an example of it. Some level of compassion for those who don't succeed can and does often have a very positive impact on individual's lives. Would we be better off in a culture that had absolutely no sympathy for the failures, where we simply kicked aside the losers as insignificant? Must we be punished with humiliation on top of our own failures before we can properly analyze the situation and improve ourselves? Is there not something that can be learned from spectacular victories, humiliating defeats, and also sympathetic displays of compassion? Because this is what you guys seem to be suggesting.

Overcompassionism is a problem. Compassion itself is just a normal part of civilized society. It's an essential part of what makes us humans. To denounce all forms of compassionate sympathy as signs of a weak culture only causes serious problems in the opposite direction.
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