HILLARY SHOULD SAY, - Page 2

proof-hunter · #11 (**permalink**) 07-29-2007, 01:05 PM

jeremiah,

That sounds like a revamped version of Dan Rather's report. The fact is that in VN we did not
employ the whole Air Defence into VN, or we would have won, and gained Air superiority there.
Bush was only lucky, as lucky as a school mate of mine, who was not rich, but went into Air
Defence, and took collage in the military to become a cadet. He never seen action. but that
does not mean he's not patriotic, nor does it mean he skipped out of it on purpose. only those
who have never served, and who are against this war would accuse others of this.

It would be different if they had fled to Canada to escape going to VN, but that's not the case.
It is unfounded, and dishonest to assume that, for your own political benefit.

this shows your low handedness in throwing accusations around, when it can't be proven in the
first place. this is just what I said about liberals who except anything if it sounds good, even when
it has holes in it. thanks for proving my point.

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jeremiah · #12 (**permalink**) 07-29-2007, 03:55 PM

Proofie nothing was proved except that your head is full of holes. There is no way we can see how Vietnam can work because it has too much help at it's back door. Vietnam was nothing but a buffer zone turned fighting ground for America again Red China and Red Russia [how ironical that is the color of neocons]. Here we was trying to help a little tiny slivver of half of a small country over there fight the upper half of it that had big, huge China and Russia right there at it's back door helping it fight us. We had to send things from this side of the world over there to that small section of the bottom half when the northern half had it's helpers right there connected on to it and just rabid for the north to win.
It was determined by McNamara in the mid-sixties that there was no way that we could win the Vietnam war but it was a money machine and we kept it going until it was stopped due to exposure of Political crookedness by Watergate. This is where we got the term "cannon fodder" naming all those who were killed because the kins of those killed consider that their loved ones lost were nothing but cannon fodder for an unwinnable war.
The same dumb choices are being done today with Iraq but even dumber because Dumbya is handling it all and it appears as if it is going to be worse than Vietnam. It is in the midst of all these Arabian countries that of course are going to help it fight us because we are considered invading crusaders.
Nothing can be proved to you Proofie because you are one of those blinds that refuse to see.

greatamerican128 · #13 (**permalink**) 07-29-2007, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremiah";p=&quot

Why don't Hillary just say, "Look Americans, we all came here to this side of the world 500 years ago because it was crazy over there on the other side with restrainst that restrain them to primitivety-living ways.

Actually we didn't, this country was originally a British colony, we then demanded freedom from the British because of their ridiculous taxes and their oppression. Read up on your history.

We came over there to create a NEW world of the kind that would advance and everyone get along happily. We achieved that goal but are now heading another way becaue we are taking care of the OLD side of the world's business. I feel that if we take care of our own business as well as we tried to take care of everyone else's then we would be in a mighty darn heck of a good shape.

Everyone to be happy? Good joke, it will never happen. no one was happy when Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people, no one was happy when Hitler massacred the Jewish people, and apparently no one was happy when Stalin mowed down citizens with machine guns in public in the soviet union. Get your history straight, the only reason people are happy in many countries is because the United states stood up, showed some courage, and took on evil. Not because we kept to our own business.

The wars over there are older than dirt and morely about who has the best religion formula on how to get to Heaven or Nirvana. We made that impossible to war over here and it has kept peace within ourselves. We can indulge in whatever religion we wish but we can't use it in law to rule our country with. Until those on the other side of the world change their primitive laws and quit warring over such crap then it is pointless to help them as it is beating a dead horse that ain't going to get up and go nowhere.

Of course we can't use the thousands of years old wisdom that is Christianity to righteously govern a country that would be too constitutional and would definitely be in agreement with the founding fathers.

It is bringing us down wasting all our military might and our cream-of-the-crop youngs. It is doing nothing so far except making us enemies faster than we can kill them. Let's be more like Canada and mind our own business and take care of our own side of the world and leave other to do likewise and all will be more well with the world.

Again, we would all be speaking German right now if it weren't for the United States showing bravery and courage against evil.

But before there is any peace in the valley then first it should be a major priority to get Osama bin-Laden and make him pay for what he did to New York City and the Pentagon and all the lives that were lost like he paid for it all to happen with his oil-soaked Arabian money. If we pulled all our men out of Irq and send them to Afghanistan and put as much effort as was put into catching Saddam Hussein [which was just a few weeks] then we are bound to catch him.
The crazy thing is taunting us and it anger me to no end that he can gloat over getting away with it all for almost six years now with causing the greatest tragedy to ever happen to America. And then after that is done then we will put up the Iron Curtain and lick our six-year old long awaiting wounds with sweet revenge and from then on take care of or own business instead of the crazy side of the world".

I am all for catching and bringing justice to Osama Bin Laden. However, I believe eliminating terrorism is mandatory for a free world.

If she said this then I sure would be standing up and clapping my hands for hours like cymbals.

My question to you Jeremiah is, are you a secular progressive who believes in a purely secular society, the removal of moral standards from society(it is unavoidable if you remove Christian standards and laws), and a society which rewards laziness and eliminates competition? Are you the kind of person who believes that criminals all have a disease that can be cured by talking and rehabilitation?

jeremiah · #14 (**permalink**) 07-29-2007, 07:41 PM

Proofie the reason that history is so sad and grim is because people like you like to keep it so full of blood and hate. I am one who think we should not allow separationism and we all be unifying and all come to one common understanding that we are all Earth-people and this is our home and how it become is totally up to us. We can make the mountains ring with joy or we can make an angel cry. Instead of praying and wishing for a heavenly paradise then we should make this world one instead of hoping for something that apparently don't seem to be there to make it for us. We all should come to this one common understanding and quit warring over who has the right religion formula to get to heaven and work for the betterment of this world and make it the heavenly paradise that we quest so much. Religion has been nothing but a divider amongst people and has the world so divided that no one is getting along and everyone is fighting over who is right and who is wrong about religion, so in my opinion it has been a curse to mankind instead of a blessing. People need to become realist instead of religious and like I said all come to one understanding and work to make this world what we really want it to be instead of tearing it up and covering it up all over with blood. I have read my history and see what all went wrong and still many like you don't understand what is going wrong and keep wanting to do more wrong.

proof-hunter · #15 (**permalink**) 07-30-2007, 02:57 PM

Proofie the reason that history is so sad and grim is because people like you like to keep it so full of blood and hate.

People like me??? ummm People like me fought hard and long to rid YOUR world of Hitler. chalk it up to
people like me, your still free.

I am one who think we should not allow separationism and we all be unifying and all come to one common understanding that we are all Earth-people and this is our home and how it become is totally up to us.

separationism?? You don't like people who have different Ideas then you?? I myself will always be myself
and not some carbon copy from some made up cookie cutter. As far as what this world will become lies
in how we protect ourselves, we have no other choice but to fight for what we believe in, otherwise you
just don't believe in anything. You can't NICE your enemies to death, can you?

We all should come to this one common understanding and quit warring over who has the right religion formula to get to heaven and work for the betterment of this world and make it the heavenly paradise that we quest so much.
Religion has been nothing but a divider amongst people and has the world so divided that no one is getting along and everyone is fighting over who is right and who is wrong about religion, so in my opinion it has been a curse to mankind instead of a blessing. People need to become realist instead of religious

You just broke the most golden rule, you can't force people to give up their religions and become a realist
just because you think other religions cause troubles. after all a realist or atheist, or evolutionist believe there
is no GOD, and this believe is done in great faith, notice I said faith, because it takes faith to believe there
is no GOD, when we can't prove it one way or another. So those believes too, are a form of religion.

I have read my history and see what all went wrong and still many like you don't understand what is going wrong and keep wanting to do more wrong.

If you read your history, then you should know that it was filled with struggles, struggles against those who
wanted a worst form of life for us all, that it was not us that caused the conflicts, but it was us who ended it.
we don't have dictators like napoleon, Hitler, or Saddam in this world anymore.

Your whole post accused people like me of being the trouble makers, while history is filled with people just
like me who gave you the life you now enjoy. don't be ungrateful towards them for fighting or dieing for your
right to live a better life.

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Pooky · #16 (**permalink**) 07-30-2007, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jeremiah";p=&quot

Why don't Hillary just say, "Look Americans, we all came here to this side of the world 500 years ago because it was crazy over there on the other side with restrainst that restrain them to primitivety-living ways.

Actually we didn't, this country was originally a British colony, we then demanded freedom from the British because of their ridiculous taxes and their oppression. Read up on your history.

We came over there to create a NEW world of the kind that would advance and everyone get along happily. We achieved that goal but are now heading another way becaue we are taking care of the OLD side of the world's business. I feel that if we take care of our own business as well as we tried to take care of everyone else's then we would be in a mighty darn heck of a good shape.

Everyone to be happy? Good joke, it will never happen. no one was happy when Saddam killed hundreds of thousands of people, no one was happy when Hitler massacred the Jewish people, and apparently no one was happy when Stalin mowed down citizens with machine guns in public in the soviet union. Get your history straight, the only reason people are happy in many countries is because the United states stood up, showed some courage, and took on evil. Not because we kept to our own business.

And that's why we really failed to do (*)(*)(*)(*) about the Jewish refugees? Does the Voyage of the (*)(*)(*)(*)ed ring any bells? The S.S. St. Louis came into port with Jewish refugees seeking asylum, and none of them were granted entrance to the U.S., while Great Britain and France and other European countries. The Évian Conference (to which no official US representative was sent -- only a businessman) was supposed to help with Jewish refugees but really did nothing. We didn't fill our immigration quotas. Hell, we couldn't even pass a resolution condemning Nazi treatment of the Jews in 1938. Not just the United States though -- Allied response to the Holocaust was terrible.

And I remember nothing about the United States standing up to Stalin before the end of WWII, or, in other words, the first couple of decades of his rule.

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The wars over there are older than dirt and morely about who has the best religion formula on how to get to Heaven or Nirvana. We made that impossible to war over here and it has kept peace within ourselves. We can indulge in whatever religion we wish but we can't use it in law to rule our country with. Until those on the other side of the world change their primitive laws and quit warring over such crap then it is pointless to help them as it is beating a dead horse that ain't going to get up and go nowhere.

Of course we can't use the thousands of years old wisdom that is Christianity to righteously govern a country that would be too constitutional and would definitely be in agreement with the founding fathers.

Except Thomas Jefferson, a deist who pretty much coined the term "seperation of church and state" in a letter, Benjamin Franklin, who himself wrote he doubted the divinity of Jesus, John Adams, who advocated seperation of church and state, James Madison, who himself authored the Bill of Rights, George Washington, who never really expressed his religious beliefs and though he attended church, by the records of the ministers of four of the churches he went to he never took part in communion, and Alexander Hamilton, who at the time of the Constitutional Convention was indifferent about religion and joked about God. So I'd say, by far, the prominent ones would NOT agree to a government of Christianity.

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It is bringing us down wasting all our military might and our cream-of-the-crop youngs. It is doing nothing so far except making us enemies faster than we can kill them. Let's be more like Canada and mind our own business and take care of our own side of the world and leave other to do likewise and all will be more well with the world.

Again, we would all be speaking German right now if it weren't for the United States showing bravery and courage against evil.

And exactly how do you figure Hitler would have had the capability to come over here and completely take over the United States, being that his troops were busy invading the Soviet Union and other parts of Europe? How do you even suppose a country as small in comparison to the United States as Germany would be able to completely take over?

Also, you fail to mention that Great Britain and the Soviet Union were major powers in World War II. In addition, Germany declared war on the United States, not the other way around.

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My question to you Jeremiah is, are you a secular progressive who believes in a purely secular society, the removal of moral standards from society(it is unavoidable if you remove Christian standards and laws)

Of course, because only Christianity can give one morals. That's precisely the reason all non-Christians are constantly killing each other all the time. Or perhaps you mean some of the morals that Christianity teaches? They certainly are not exclusive to Christianity. They certainly aren't exclusive to religion either.

therealman · #17 (**permalink**) 07-30-2007, 07:29 PM

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Of course, because only Christianity can give one morals. That's precisely the reason all non-Christians are constantly killing each other all the time. Or perhaps you mean some of the morals that Christianity teaches? They certainly are not exclusive to Christianity. They certainly aren't exclusive to religion either.

LOL ...what a bag of crap!! Christians are only ...only muslims in suit and tie!!
Who's out there clamouring for war and killing?? You may call it democracy or revenge ...its still the same dam Jihad!!

Having morals have absolutely no ....no relationship with christianity!!

I'll walk into any church tiomorrow and pull out the undiscovered pedophiles, "johns", adultors or bigots, any day!!

Whats worse ...whats worse ...Christianity sanctioned SLAVERY!!!

I don't need a dam bible to tell me slavery was immoral!!

They also condone making women second class citizen!! You better beleive there is a long line of god-fearing christians out there with a history of beating and undermining their women!!

Look ...you can believe some white guy with a beard came down from the sky on a suicide mission to save man-kind all you want ....but in the end people like you are no different from any other cult or religious sect anywhere in the world!!

Yeah I know pal ... your right and everyone else is wrong .....thats what they all say!

Pooky · #18 (**permalink**) 07-30-2007, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by therealman";p=&quot

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Of course, because only Christianity can give one morals. That's precisely the reason all non-Christians are constantly killing each other all the time. Or perhaps you mean some of the morals that Christianity teaches? They certainly are not exclusive to Christianity. They certainly aren't exclusive to religion either.

LOL ...what a bag of crap!! Christians are only ...only muslims in suit and tie!!
Who's out there clamouring for war and killing?? You may call it democracy or revenge ...its still the same dam Jihad!!

Having morals have absolutely no ....no relationship with christianity!!

I'll walk into any church tiomorrow and pull out the undiscovered pedophiles, "johns", adultors or bigots, any day!!

Whats worse ...whats worse ...Christianity sanctioned SLAVERY!!!

I don't need a dam bible to tell me slavery was immoral!!

They also condone making women second class citizen!! You better beleive there is a long line of god-fearing christians out there with a history of beating and undermining their women!!

Look ...you can believe some white guy with a beard came down from the sky on a suicide mission to save man-kind all you want ....but in the end people like you are no different from any other cult or religious sect anywhere in the world!!

Yeah I know pal ... your right and everyone else is wrong .....thats what they all say!

Actually, I was being sarcastic. I should start marking that.

jeremiah · #19 (**permalink**) 07-31-2007, 06:56 AM

Proofie--you are all wet and as wet as water. You didn't keep us from anything but follow politicians orders to go over there and keep another country from becoming what it wanted to be. When someone defend America as like go get Osama bin-Laden who deeply wounded America and show the world we don't allow such intrusion then I will say that someone defended America. Like I said we came over here to make this OUR country and we should defend OUR country and let the rest of the world do as they wish and the same goes for Iraq. If Iraqis want to change their country then let it be and let them do so and not kill off all our soldiers and waste all our military might we need to defend our own country with to get what they want. We sure did show Japan a thing or two when they tried to attack America and I am glad that we kept Europe from becoming bloody nazis but beyond that then all the rest is unnecessary and a case of America taking care of something that is not our business. Our primary goal should be to make it our business to get all involved in 9-11 and that include Bush's buddy Osama bin-Laden and make them pay dearly. Proofie people like you are why there is no harmony in this world because you all are so in passionate want to keep things stirred up all the time. Like I wish Hillary would say, "If we would take care of our own business as well as we tried to take care of everyone else's then we would be in a heck of a mighty dam good shape".
We do need to think rational and what is so wrong with thinking rational and many believe that those that won't think rational should be put where we keep all the crazies. You said that you don't want to think like we all do then you are free to do so but you can't be in the same place as we all are because you are so odd-man out and want to keep making hornet nests.

greatamerican128 · #20 (**permalink**) 08-01-2007, 06:22 AM

Pooky, let's be reasonable here, personal insults and profanity will get us nowhere.

Anyhow, are you kidding me? If the United States didn't fight with the allies the allies would have lost. The president of the US Dwight Eisenhower was the highest ranking supreme commander of all the allied forces. Even more is that the United States while fighting in WWII lost 1,027,000 people accounting for both civilian and military casualties. And when you look at the charts seeing the Soviet Union's high casualty number that was because they practically used men instead of bullets, and guess who sent them food rations when they needed them? The United States. If you describe the sacrafice and the leadership that the United States contributed to the allies small you are clearly misguided.

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