I am writing this purely to see what others think of the following issues. One thing I strongly ask is that you justify your responses trying to use logic and sources as best as possible (ie. the Constitution). I look forward to responses.

Do you think todays tax code/enforcement is fair?

Do you think it is right to tax the rich more than the poor?

What are your thoughts about a "flat income tax" system where everyone pays the same percentage of their annual income, for example, 20%?

What does the government have to right to tax you on? Are there limits?

Also, discuss other tax grievances (such as Estate tax, etc.).


Thanks!

Yes!





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Absolutely not.
Absolutely not. This is punishing achievement, and rewarding non-achievement.
Unfair. 20% of $100.00 is not the same as 20% of $1,000.00. This brings us back to the "punish the achievers, and reward the non-achievers." A FAIRTax, where consumables are taxed, would be much more effective. At least citizens would have more control over how much tax they paid, and congressional swindlers would find it more difficult to add earmarks to bills.
I'm assuming you mean "what does the government have THE right to tax you on?" The answer is public works-type expenses. Expenses for maintenance on things that the public, in general, has access to, but does not have any personal ownership of (ie: roads, sewers, utilities).
Absolutely. Just look at some of the earmarks that are in the current budget bill. Most of this stuff should be paid for by private entities (ie: "the bridge to nowhere")

Part of what I hear many on the right gripe about when it comes to taxes is ...they want less ..almost zero taxes ..and they berate the government at the same time. You see the danger in this?

If we are to pay less (rich and poor) taxes overall then we either prepare to live with less services .......less military for example!

OK ...still want the same services or better with less taxes? Then we cannot operate with the current government system we have today! Vote democrat, republican or libetarian all you want ...I dare you to change it!!!

We have whats called a progressive tax system ...what you refer to as system that punishes achievement! And we have had this almost since the inception of the tax system.

If this was sssooo punishing on the achievers ...how come America have so much wealth? And why is it that those at the top controlling far more wealth than the mass ...tend only to get richer despite the tax system??? In fact ...these people being ..."punished" ..under our tax system ...tend to seperate themselves more and more under this punishing tax system!!

You realize the inherent lesson here? The system recognize that it can tax the rich guy more because ....he can make more money ...much easier!!

If he so desires how easy or difficult would it be for Warren Buffet to open a resturant in a prime location and rake in the cash ...compare to you or I? Money begets ..money ...its that simple!!

So if we employ a flat tax system .....the government till will be affected severely!! You just have to understand ...how much more wealth the few at the top controls to realize this. And they have always amass this wealth under this very same punishing tax system!

Regardless of what argument you bring ...I can tell you ..under the current system ...I would rather be rich and take the punishment !!!

Who do you hear this from? Very very few people are saying they don't want to pay any taxes, and if they are, I would think it comes from the poor liberal base.

Actually, we can get by with less taxes, with the same services. The answer is "earmarks." BILLIONS of dollars of tax money goes towards congressional earmarks that basically serve to benefit whichever congressman wrote it, and whomever employed the greasy lobbyist. This sort of taxation is unfair, because we are paying for something that we are not enjoying any benefit from. These are the kind of taxes that need to be dissolved.

Well, you have a strong point there, but unfortunately, the overwhelming majority of citizens fail to understand just how important their vote is. No, we can't override congressional acts, but we can choose to kick their butts out of office, if we do not like what they're doing.

The FairTax is NOT a system that punishes achievement. Where is your facts on this? It is a tax on consumable, with a poverty-level prebate tacked on. If anything, this allows lower income folks to pay very little taxes, while the "evil rich" will still be shelling out more in taxes, through their purchases of luxury items. It's obvious you've not read HR25. Read it, before you start criticizing it.

Because typically, those with the most wealth are far more educated than the poor, poor pitiful poor. Why don't you ask yourself why the poor, poor pitiful poor are so oppressed? Is it because maybe "rich folk" have children who know who their "baby-daddy" is? Is it because they went through college? Is it because they saved their money, instead of blowing it on grillz? Aside from the handicapped, all poverty in the U.S. is due to bad personal choices. The "evil rich" made the right choices.

This is the exact "bleed the rich" nonsense that this country doesn't need. This "because we can" logic is how dictatorships start. So, what you're saying is, if you want to pay less in taxes, then stay ignorant, and join the dregs of society! Ignorance is bliss, ya know!

Warren Buffet legally earned that money. If HE made that money, and HE can do whatever he wants with the money he earned HIMSELF, what gives YOU the right to just take it from him because "well, he's got enough for himself." There are homeless people who would like to exact this same philosophy on YOU. To them, YOU are the "evil rich." Are you willing to subtract 30% of your take-home pay, to go right into his wino jug?

Bring forth your facts.

Again...you ARE rich, compared to homeless folks. The Hildabeast commands you to sell your car and computer, and give that money to your nearest bum, unconditionally. See...you have too much money anyway, and John Q. Wino needs it. Hell, you can always make more money, can't you?

what do you believe is a fair income level for a hard working man of ten years as a janitor who is developing arthritis and increasing pain compared to any other American who takes home over $200,000 a year after taxes?

What do you really believe these peoples take home pay should be?

How can you tell the janitor that you plan on increasing his taxes so you can lower the wealthy's to create a fair balanced tax rate.

To correctly rate taxes you must first look at the take home pay after taxes have been taken out.


that said i do not believe in raising taxes for either individuals the janitor or those making over $200.000 a year. I belive in cutting them both. The problem with our society in America is that we through two party elections constantly readjust and shift who is paying the taxes back and forth, which actually does not even slightly reduce the amount we all end up paying. And that through time grossly mislead tax management, Taxescan only remain constant or rise throough time through the years

The only real solution is to cut government spending And cut everyones taxes across the board, and the solution is not to shift the tax burden

That said some will inevitably say that next election the democrats want to tax and spendand that will not cut government spending.. .. . Well you just fell back into the wrong method of thinking. electing the republicans with their hugh amounts of war spending and tax breaks only for the wealthy corporations won't help either

I do not believe in Either the republicans or the democrats theories, . . . sorry. I believe we must first cut government spending if we all wan't breaks for us and our children on our taxes

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[quote="BoogiePeople";p="387967"]Really I hear republicans saying for years ...they want less and less taxes ...what country have you been living in?

LOL ...your actual answer are as juvenile as your posts. You actually think just fixing ear mark will fix things? The system is fraught with such inefficiencies built up over the decades and exploited by both parties....my son ...its not that simple!! Its why I said ..vote democrat or republican all you want ..I dare you to change things!

LOL ..again ..I'll leave you to live with you fantasies. I will bet though that should you live to be an old man ...things will get no better or even worse!

Who says your fair tax fantasy punishes achievement? I was referring to the old staid ..progressive tax system that taxes (supposedly) you more ...the more money you make. And before you get on your RUSH lLIMBUAGH ...."evil-rich" kick read my post again.
I was mearly stating facts ..facts maybe you don't want to hear. My point was despite this punishment for the rich or the achievers ....they strive under this system and rather than retract ..they only futher seperate themselves even more!!


Keep thinking that Paris Hilton will invent the next fuel efficient vehichle!!

Oh please ...you sound like somebody with an "axe to grind"!! Many rich people have less than a college degree in this country!!








Not sure what your problem is pal! Not sure why your getting so emotional!
One thing for sure ...those at the top don't need your help! Even Warrren Buffet slammed tax cut for the rich.

But I was only stating facts ...we have a progressive tax system ..and have had this system for decades! And despite the punishment the rich suffer under this system ..they elect to stay in America (when they could easily move) and make even more money under this system! Those are facts!!

Relax ..relax ...don't get so emotional! Your so constipated with the right wing goolah and so eager to dig out of my factual statements ...disparate inferences. This isn't about hate the rich!! I was merely stating facts!!

Showed me where I inferred he didn't earn his money!

Paris Hilton is less educated than hard working ...well educated Americans ..and she can do also open a resturant in a prime location ..easier than anyone of us can! Satisfied?

Money begets money ...thats the lesson here!! Many didn't earn the money more so than they were born into it! Once you have it ...its extremely easier to make more of it!! Your options are endless ...if your poor your options becomes very limiting! Money begets money! Thats the lesson here! Thats why the rich guy would rather stay here ..and take the ...."tax-punishment" .!!

Despite insignificant people like you getting angry over his demise ....the rich guy clearly understand the advantages he enjoys under this system even if you can't understand it!!


Bring forth your facts.

LOL ... if you are stuck on right wing politics ...guess what? Your just as stupid as any democrat! In fact even worse because the democrat is just looking for help ... your obviously hung up on hate ..and thats sad!

Jeremiah, is that you?

Ha-ha-ha- ..... The truth shall set you free boy.

Ted you really wrote a jewel of a reply and I am going to try that one and claim my house as a church and my belief as a religion and skip paying taxes on it. That is really a gem of a idea.
Also I am going to quit answering mentally-blind people as like you know who on this.