You are right comrad! We must re-establish ths Soviet Union and kill another 8 million people! There is no tolerance for this freedom and capitalism! Hail Stalin!

Seriously, stop chasing the poor man's dream, because it doesn't work. It never has worked and never will, and in the end it ends up doing much more harm than good because people will never work for the good of the state. People need an incentive to work and people are not inately good. If people were working robots which had no emotions or dreams for the future socialism might have a chance. But obviously that is not the case.

And let me make those verses more clear for you

first

This verse is simply reffering to the fact that if you believe that you can be successful without God in your life you have an extremely small chance to make it to Heaven. And many rich people think this way. Now it is possible for a wealthy person to have faith and worship, just more difficult.

This verse is reffering to when Jesus saw people selling goods at a Church(which is irreverent) and has righteous anger. You see it is simply wrong to sell goods at a Church because Church is for worshipping and praying not selling.

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Or, you know... we don't.

People will never work for the good of their boss. People work for themselves, their family and their community. Which is why it makes perfect sense for workers to control to the means of production (not the state) as only then are they truly working for themselves.

And people are innately good.

Difficult? Like fitting a camel through the eye of a needles difficult? I'm sure if you just forced it a bit it'd pop right through ey?

And no it's not referring to ' that if you believe that you can be successful without God in your life', you've just made that up with no logical base because your either a liar or blind. What it's saying is if your wealthy your not really excepting god into your life, because to have wealth beyond your needs can only be greed.

All rich people burn in hell. Clearly stated in the bible.

It was a attack on merchanting faith. And in capitalist society where even something as natural as water can be bought and sold, religion is just treated as another commodity. You surely can't deny there many a person is cashing in on Christianity.

PS please have a crack at some other verses i posted. Your attempts make me laugh.

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More "Fun with quotes"


"The goal of socialism is communism."
- Vladimir Lenin

"The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level."
- Norman Mailer

"Democracy is the road to socialism."
- Karl Marx

"Socialism is nothing but the capitalism of the lowest class."
- Oswald Spengler

"Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism."
- Hubert H. Humphrey

“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
- Winston Churchill

This last one is perhaps the absolute best explanation of socialism. Those who long for socialism are consumed by feelings of failure, misery and envy of others.

See my point with my quotes was to prove the bible has distinct socialistic messages. Your point was what exactly? Some people don't like socialism? SHOCKING! Some people have said bad things about it??!!

I'll reply to a few i care about:

Quite true. What's your point?

Quite true. What's your point?

Ah Churchill. Evicted rightly by the British public, then got back into power despite 1 million fewer votes than labour. He was skilled with rhetoric and a great debater but when it comes down it, he ousted by his own people in favor of left wing party.

I long for socialism, but i can't say i'm 'consumed' by any of those emotions you writ. I merely wish for equality and freedom, not such a bad thing is it? After all Jesus believed in it.

Anyway, if you want debate why socialism is a vast improvement over capitalism do so, but at least make a argument instead of getting a few quotes from some famous people saying 'socialism sucks!'. But just for the record, my favorite quote:

'Conservatives are people to cowardly to fight and to fat to run away'

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Assuming you live in the USA, what freedoms does socialism bring you, that you do not have already? Furthermore, how is "bringing down the rich" a sign of freedom? Don't the "achievers" deserve the same freedoms the "dregs" have? Why is socialism always tied to punishing the rich, on one level or another? Why is being successful such a hated thing to socialists? Do they crave national poverty? Do they WANT to revel in their miserable lower classes?

Again, it seems that the root of socialism is jealous and envy of success. Too lazy to join 'em, so you might as well beat 'em, right?

I'm British and I'll tell you what freedoms it'd bring me:

The freedom of a job i actually like doing and getting enough to live comfortably whilst doing it.

The freedom of a political system which i and anyone who wants to can effect and change, because it's local and not centralized.

The freedom to smoke some weed whilst nude in a public place, just because i feel like it.

3 simple examples in the spheres of economic, political and personal freedom.

Socialism doesn't seek to the rich, it seeks to abolish them. People who manage the factory should have the same rights of those who work in it. Not more and not less. Equality plain and simple.

Again? When did you prove this the first time? And just so you know i am:

A) To skint to join em
B) Really, really don't want to join them anyway. I don't want to be a manager, i want to be a worker, just one who is getting a fair share of the fruits of my own labor.

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Who's fault is it that you have a job you don't like? What your idea of "living comfortably" might not be an accurate description. Why not go hit up some 60-year old Russians, and ask them how "comfortable" they lived in the USSR?

What you propose here is anarchy. Again...did Mr. 60-year old Russian have that kind of freedom to change his government?

But what if everyone around you is repulsed by watching you toke hippie lettuce, naked in the park? Is your right to do it more important than their right to have to watch some naked pothead in public? Socialism dictates you stomping that "J" out, and putting on some clothes. Majority rules, my friend. You know..."the Common Good," and all that B.S.

Whether you like it, or accept it, or not...."rich people" make the world go 'round. You might have "Jeremiah-like" hate for Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, but I'm betting one of them owns that software that's running your computer. I'll bet some "rich" guy had the ambition to start the company that built your car (but then again...you're a pothead...you might not own one). Face it...rich folks will ALWAYS be more important than the dregs. Otherwise, your country's economy would collapse because everyone would be laying out naked in the park, getting baked.

Chances are:
a) None of the lowly factory workers have enough ambition to enjoy the same rights as those who have far more responsibility. They're "rich" because they're rewarded for accepting the responsibility.

b) If everyone had an equal share, then who will rise above the dregs, to run the factory? Certainly not anyone who gets paid the same as they do. In exchange for being the "leader," and accepting heightened responsibility, they are rewarded with higher pay and perks.

Let me get back to you with this one...I don't speak "Queen's English slang."

Chances are...you're probably getting the fair share of the fruits of your labor.

I get it now. You DON'T want to be a manager...just get all their benefits. That's (ahem) bollocks. Get some freakin' ambition, put away your hippie lettuce, adopt some good work skills, and maybe you'll start seeing those benefits roll in. EARN what you want. Don't STEAL them away from those who probably are working harder than you.

...and before you start defending your "lifestyle," I must say that I am 100% for the legalization of hippie lettuce. However, I also view those who use it to be unmotivated, and usually "poor" by their own devices (namely, blowing all their money by being a pothead). So maybe, once again, you're getting your fair share of the fruits of your labor.

So you advocate for socialism and communism?

Did the Soviet Union not show you that it fails?

Cuba is failing, North Korea is failing, China has turned away from socialism.

Sounds successful, you keep working on the lost cause and I will keep working to keep traditionalist values in the United States and to make sure communism or fascism doesn't happen.

And see the below pictures, isn't it interesting what party Hitler belonged to? The National Socialist workers party, the same party in your icon.


http://www.adl.org/learn/images/The_...alist_Move.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/61le7ax.jpg

http://www.allstates-flag.com/fotw/i...d/de_nsdap.gif

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It's the systems fault man!! LOL
No, it really is. A little story:

I've always wanted to be a gravedigger (morbid i know). I'm comfortable around the dead, I'm very respectful and i love digging holes (don't ask why, i just do). It's my dream job. Now i understand there just aren't many vacancies at the moment but what pisses me off is that so many people hate therre jobs (and i can't s wee grave digging being a exception). Why do people get stuck in roles they hate when there are always people who would envy their job? I can't be a gravedigger because the vacancies are taken by people who need the money, not because they want to do it.

If we could all just do what we enjoyed, instead of being forced into roles then not only would people be happier but it'd be so much more efficient because people would actually want to work.

And i'm not calling for the USSR. No-one but the CP on the left had supported the USSR for along time.

To right it is. My ideology is a mesh of Marxism and anarchy. Equality and freedom go hand in hand.

You'll find, if you talk to a socialist, that most call for power to be devolved to lowest level. A bottom up approach.

I'm repulsed by attractive women wearing clothes. What about my right not to be offended?

Not to sound patronizing but i know the socialist ways a bit better than you and it certainly isn't majority rules, case closed. As you like bringing up the USSR so much, then take this example from when USSR was vaguely socialist: Legalization of homosexuality, way before western countries. Gay people? A minority, and certain people argue being gay is against the 'common good' but at the end of the day, they were protected and given rights (till Stalin came along of course).

Do you know how many people can, could and have written windows like programs? But they don't get anywhere regardless of how good it is, was, could be. Microsoft has a monopoly on it and isn't going to let anyone else challenge it. Why should they? That isn't good for humanity, hell maybe even political forum would load at a decent rate if things were different.

There's probably a fair few 'lowly' factory workers who would like to be manager and would be good at it. But if everyone was a manager then the factory wouldn't make anything would it? That what annoys me. There's not infinite space at the top. Not everyone can be rich. No matter how they hard they work some people aren't going to make it. And some will make it just cos they've got a rich dad. That's not fair and needs to be changed.

As for B) some people like to manage some people don't. There's many a person who would love the chance to tell people what needs to be done. Even if there no pay raise.

To be skint is to have no money.

Or maybe not. I make something and it's worth a few quid but for my boss to make a profit he's going have to have to take a share of that few quid. I'm not getting back what i'm worth. Now i could live with that, after all his job maybe necessary. I just don't get why he gets a bigger slice than me.

I get it now, you want money, but you don't want to have to actually work, you just want to sit in a swivel chair all day. Go get a real job and be useful.

Yep poor people are poor because there lazy. It's perfectly possible to climb the ladder. That's why so many African plantation workers end up being CEO's

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The party in my icon is SWP (socialist workers party) the party i belong to. Nothing to do with Hitler, and i find it quite strange your trying to tie me with him. The Nazi party was fascist, the complete opposite end of the spectrum to me and and my party, their extreme right, were extreme left. Just because they've got socialist in their name means nothing in comparison to who they were. I've got pixie in my name, doesn't make me one does it?

Over 50% of the world in poverty and the worlds poorest countries economy in decline. Sounds like capitalism. Don't you even know how your country developed it's strong economy? It wasn't through unbridled free marketeering, it was through high trade tariffs and protection of small growing industry.

As for socialism, it has shown successes, obviously quickly crushed but still. I point you to the Paris commune as one example.

And of course the SU, NK and cuba aren't/never were truly socialist with the exception of the early days of the Soviet Union. Certainly China, NK and Cuba never really pretended to be so. Merely the replacement of the status quo with a new status Quo.

If you insist on calling these socialist failures then why don't you look to some of countries that have suffered by accepting one of the IMF's Structural adjustment programs . AKA you get a loan if cut spending and open your markets. County after country has been crippled from adopting this, having to struggle back it's feet afterward: EG Argentina, Thailand, Philippines, Jamaica, Malaysia etc. The list really does go on.

Why not say capitalism fails based on one of these nations?

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