I totally understand your situation, but at the same time, you have to understand the laws of supply and demand. Furthermore, I think the idea of people getting stuck in jobs they hate, is because of timing. I've taken a lot of horrible jobs, because for one reason or another, it was the "best" thing I could get at the time. But that's not the government's fault. It's not really anyone's fault.

Sorry, but I just don't trust the dregs of society to be handed that much power. It's like handing the keys to the family car over to the 5 year old.

Be serious.

Not exactly. Linux has gained a foothold in the computing community, and it's not a Microsoft product. And again...I still think that very few individuals have the ambition as Bill Gates.

Is it the company's fault? Is it the manager's fault?

Again...it's ambition. I worked at a place where the owner thought the same thing you did. However, instead of pining for socialism, and instead of wanting to beat down "the man," he created his own company. You're only partially right. Not everyone can be rich, but everyone has the opportunity to be rich. It's just the folks who wanted it bad enough, got to that level.

Doesn't even fit into the equation. Less than 1% of "rich folks" get that way from inheritance. But then again...how is an inheritance "not fair?" Just because YOU want your grubby little hands on someone else's money, doesn't make it right. Get your own money.

Actually...you're wrong here. He's not taking from you. You're taking from him. Being the owner, he's entitled to 100% of what the company makes. However, he pays your salary out of his pocket, in exchange for your help in the company's operation.

You're not? Who says? You? Who are you? Again, he gets a bigger slice than you because it's HIS money on the line. If the company goes bankrupt, you're just out of a job. He's financially ruined.

Oh, so you think manual labor is the only "real work?" Please. Don't be an idiot.

Don't compare some backwards oligarchist African way of doing things with capitalism in a "modern country" such as ours. You know what I meant.

Quite. People are far to stupid to run there own lives. That's whey the need people to tell what to do. People with ambition!

This quote just really says it about you doesn't it? The masses are idiots who deserve to poor. They deserve no power. There only good for making washing machines ey?

Jesus some libertarian you are. Personally i don't trust handing handing all the power to a few, whose sole qualification is they have a to be a power hungry greedy bastard. Bush has ambition, must have to get to president right? Doesn't mean he's fit to run a country.

On ambition, as it seems to a reoccurring theme in your posts. Why should 'ambition' determine who's successful? Why not say intelligence or willpower or you know some quality i might find useful in a leader? Or better yet why don't we recognize intelligence, willpower or ambition as merely traits of a person. Traits that do make them superior to others, rather different but equal. Traits that that do mean they automatically get more of a say in the world those who don't share these traits?

And let's not forget that Hitler or Stalin. Both intelligent ambitious men. But personally i don't think that power in there hands is a good thing. They that those who want power, least deserve it and it is at least partially true. A system that allows so much to be concentrated in a few hands will eventually fall into the wrong hands.


No i don't get what you mean you here. The only reason our countries are rich and it's citizens enjoy cheap products, is by keeping other countries down through the guise of the world bank and imf. A country gets a loan in exchange for going capitalist and then gets raped by us for it's worth.

Africa is of course no exception.

http://www.africaaction.org/resources/issues/wbimf.php

There we are. There is capitalism is Africa, we made it! But i don't think to many African's are able to start a supermarket chain, do you? They work so you can start the next Walmart. The system works.

Wrong way round. Being the worker you make the product. Salary is the equivalent of you selling the product to the owner. He then sells it to someone else (or get his manager to do it) for a higher price and that's how it works. The owner is just a glorified middleman.

I'm not say people get rich through inheritance. I'm saying they can get rich because they come from a wealthy family. If your born into a rich family then you'll go to better schools, get monetary backing for your adventures into capitlism, are more likely to get a loan etc. Wealth through birthright.

I am being serious. As long as it isn't hurting anyone, it's ok in my book. Sure people get offended but if you pandered to everyones fears and disgusts then you be outlawing most things. You gonna kill all the spiders because some people don't like them? No. They aren't hurting anyone. And neither is being nude and stoned.

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Big difference. It's one thing to be "smart enough" to run your own life (although, too many in this country are still too stupid), but it's another thing to expect "Sammy the Crackhead" to make honest, educated decisions. Again, you know what I mean.

I didn't say "the masses were idiots." I said "the dregs." These include people who consider welfare a more viable source of income than working. It includes people who sell their babies for drugs. Yes, people should have a voice in their government, but I believe it should be EARNED. Pay your taxes, stay off welfare, etc. It's not hard. 96% of Americans fall in this category.

Yes, but it did take ambition to get there. Name me one single non-ambitious leader in the free world, then.

Yes, you're right. Ambitious people ARE successful. However, their success directly correlates to how ambitious they are. If they only want the responsibility of a fry cook at McDonalds, then fine. That's where their ambition ends. However, that doesn't mean they deserve better than someone who went to college, and worked his way up the system. He is MORE ambitious than the fry guy.

It's been proven now that Bush actually got better academic grades than John Kerry. Did that mean the U.S. didn't need an election, and they should have just "installed" Bush in the White House for another 4 years?

Because "Sammy the Crackhead" might have gotten "straight A's" in school, but he's still a P.O.S. that doesn't deserve anything. "Traits" are one thing...what people do with their traits, is what makes them better or less than their fellow man.

You know, without sounding like a member of the KKK, I have to admit that Hitler was actually a good leader for a very short time. He pulled his country out of economic depression, and did more for his country than anyone else could have. This is all pre-WWII, and before the whole "Jew" thing.

Yes, but a system in too many hands leads to anarchy, and destruction from within.


How about some sources here. This is complete heresay.

No. "Salary" is what a worker is paid, in exchange for his services. You work "for" the owner. I do not understand your logic here.

What a twisted conception of how a company works! No, sir. The owner "owns" everything in the company. From the resources, right up to the finished product. It's the "owner" who sells the product, and the workers are paid whatever their "contract" says they get paid, which is a portion of the price of the product, set by the Owner. So, if a company hits a rut one year, and only sells 50% of their wares, does that mean the worker only gets 50% of their pay? According to what you wrote, it does. That's not how it works.

Or maybe...it's down to personal choice. When I was a child, with a single parent, we were dirt poor. Somehow, I still went to private schools my whole life. This actually made us even more poor. However, I still went to better schools, and stayed out of the Government Indoctrination Centers (public schools). So I think I prove you wrong there. Those in the ghetto are there because of one thing...choice. Perhaps those in the ghetto decided that "bling" is more important to blow their money on, than schooling. This is a choice, and with it comes consequences.

Funny...you've pretty much summed up our current government, here in the U.S. Unions, the ACLU, CAIR, etc...they're all destroying our country. Look, I'm not saying it offends me of your desire to get baked, naked in the park. I'm just saying that according to "the common good," people will force you to stop.

This, my friend, is the biggest problem with socialism. The condemnation of individuality. Someone else on this board likes to call the Demopublicans "Borg." He couldn't be further from the truth. The "Borg" is socialism.

Communism and Socialism are two different things.

Thats why God invented two different words for it.

... Am I the only one who thinks capitalism is alive and well in this nation? Seariously, you've seen a president do as nearly ever other president before him and a congress just as divided and inefficient as it's ever been. Our political views may change, true. But I don't see any radical changes to our economic system or governmental system any time soon. The checks and balances will win out in the end. No one's going to be in office long enough to turn this country over to fascism and the American people are smart enough to notice these changes way before the pig starts standin'. Besides, these cities are saturated with guns... I'm not too worried.

I agree for the most part. But with people like Hillary Clinton and many of the liberals and progressives in congress and the courts it may happen. Which is a scary thought because these dissalusioned people have no clue about the country. They just regurgitate logic that has never worked and try to fight for it.

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Not unless the Hildabeast gets in the White House.

Personally, I have very serious doubts that socialism or communism can be truly successful on a large scale in our civilization due to corruption and greed, but I have no doubts that if there is a god, he is a socialist, and if there is a heaven, is has a socialistic system in place.

You capitalists are in for a big surprise when you die and enter into heaven.

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You are right comrad, it is Soviet Heaven of course. Nothing will cost money we will all just go to hospitals for free and nothing will be difficult to achieve.

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Seriously, we as humans have no clue what heaven will be like.

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-Proverbs 16:12

I'm sorry, I should have said "we capitalists" rather than you. I thought it was clear that I wasn't really supporting communism, but I suppose not clear enough for some.

I did say socialist system-- not Soviet system. Marx never mentioned anything about gulags, mass murder, suppression of free speech or media. The Soviets added all that stuff later.

And I would hope that, if there were money in heaven, everybody would have enough to buy everything they want or need. What kind of paradise would it be if there were poor people unable to afford basic healthcare?

That's right. That's why I used the phrases "if there is a god" and "if there is a heaven".

But if you'd like to read about a rather interesting description of what heaven may be, check out Mark Twain's short story "Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven."

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