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Just checking in - I'm still here, just been a little busy, is all....
This is one of the threads I want to read "in detail", so thanks for being patient with me, and I'll get back to you here very shortly. |
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My question is why don't you all control your Islamic extremists. If you did so then there wouldn't be such bad feelings toward muslims, many are seeing you all as people who danced when the World Trade Center fell. When a christian ruler of the christian nation of Serbia was killing a bunch of Muslims in his country then we all banded together and bombed Serbia until they handed over Milosevic for us to imprison and make him pay for his trespasses against humanity. Why don't you control your extremists and we won't have to do it and therefore there would be less anger in this world if religions would take responsibility for their kind and keep them in line.
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So, let's say, one scholar says in relation to a passage of scripture, "this verse means this", and the other one says, "no, it means that" - and the two interpretations don't agree. So, what would happen in that case? You made mention of a Council, and I understand that, but such a mechanism takes "time" to work, right? So, what do the people do in the meantime? Do you "expect" that there will be some confusion while the question is being decided? And then, once it's decided, what happens to the people who "don't agree" with the decision? (Do they have any "appeal", or do they then "submit" to the correct interpretation as it's chosen by the Council, or ..... I guess what I'm asking is, what is the "spectrum" of things you'd expect to see in that case - what kinds of things would you expect to happen? Heated discussions in coffee houses? Armed conflicts? what?) Quote:
Number one is especially interesting - I've never heard it phrased quite that way before. Hey, people..... check this one - ===> Jesus and the Guided Imam working together on the side of good, against "the evil ones"...... (whoever those latter may be).... hmm..... Well, all right then! Thank you for your clear and helpful answers, Mr. Borkan. I hope some others are reading them too. This level of dialog is very helpful - "anything" that brings our cultures closer and builds bridges between us, is helpful. We're both good peoples, we both "mean well", it's just that we have different sets of (mostly cultural) boundaries, and sometimes those boundaries come into philosophical conflict, or whatever - But I believe in "dialog", that's usually a good thing. So yeah, thanks for the dialog, brother. |
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I understand your question, and I see that you have a very superfecial idea about all this issue! so let me please tell our view point: First of all WE Muslims don't let those 'extremists' do what they did and it's impossible to control them! Why? because ordinary Muslims like me and others, we are not in the authority, we can't decide to go after those extremists! it's the Gov.'s work, and not the people's work! Second, if yo will trust our and your Gov. to catch those extremists you are just deaming and waisting your time!! Why?? because aour Govs. and your Gov. are the cause of the existance of those extremists! and they just pretend that they are trying to catch them in the time they don't do any effort to do that!! Example: Why Bush decided to go to Iraq when his army was in Afganistan near Alqaed and Osama bin Ladin? wasn't his mission to revenge from those who attacked America (Alqaeda)? So way he didn't catch him when he was able to do that? he focused on an other war before doing and finishing his mission! this means that they don't want and they have no intention to catch Bin Laden or control him! Bush invaded Iraq and created more and more 'Extremists' who hate America more and more!! those new 'Extremist's" were not extremists before! they were just peacefull people but the war against Iraq made the decide to fight America! (If you want to call every one who fights america as an extremist). Third, those people who were dancing when the WTC fell can never represent the rest of Muslims or especially Islam itself!! Yes those people were living tens of years under the injustice of America and this was a spontaneous and automatic reaction from them! But this don't mean that this is what Islam ask them to do! Islam don't let us be happy for the sadness of others! never! And coming back to the control of Extremists! we should ask to stop the creation of new Extremists before asking to control the old extrmists! thanks for asking! |
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- The Quran has some explanations done by old great scholars, they are about 14 explanations (we call them books of Tafsir)! but the most know and used are about 5! - All the books of Tafsir have the same explanation of the Quran, no one say that the other explanation is wrong and that his explanation is the true one! but the diffrenece is that some explanations are more detailed than others! some of them use more quotes and refrences! this is why we have diffrent books of Tafsir! - Now the Fatwa!! the Fatwa don't explain the Quran but explain to people what to do in some issues! the scholars who make the Fatwa uses many informations from the Quran, the Hadith and the Ijtihad of big scholars to make the Fatwa! the mission of the Fatwa is to guide people and tell them what to do in some cases when people fear to do some thing that Islam refuses! Example: In Ramadan we Muslims don't eat, drink or have sex during the period from about 5:30 to 19:20 every day for all the month! but some people can't do that! there are some cases when people can eat or drink! some people don't know what to do if they are sick, the ask a Fatwa from a scholar! the scholar ask them some question about their health, how fasting affect them, have they medecine, what their doctor say.. and then he give them a Fatwa! yes you must fast or no! I hope my idea is clear no! the Fatwa don't interpret the Quran! Quote:
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I was very glad by this dialog with you and the other memebers! we just need to talk! we just need to know each other and acsept the diffrence between us! we are all human, we all love peace, we all love to be respected by others, we all love to see our children live in peace in a safe and clean place! we just need to talk and undestand that every one of us has a diffrent way of life! it's the same life that others have, but every one wants to live it in his way! thanks again for this dialog and never hezitate to ask waht you want. Salam |
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This is a great piece about the truth and I even copied it since it so told of what Bush really did and how he crooked us so. I was all for the war to get Osama bin Laden but you are right he hijacked the military away with his lies to get who he want to get. Hard to believe our own leader would do us like that but he darn sure did. I wish for others to see this, especially Boogie and Glitch. Thanks so much for writing the truth and I treasure it,
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