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Old 09-17-2007, 07:44 AM
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Like, if we were to try to get rid of the hypocrisy "entirely" (which would be a tall order "all at once", I mean in the real world you'd have to take political "baby steps" and that kind of thing) - but "theoretically", would you say this "model" should be maintained "across the board"?

It seems to me, that if you're a real Federalist, your answer would be "yes".
My answer IS "yes." However, this will NEVER EVER become fruition. Again...politicians do NOT care about the citizens. They don't even care about the voters. They only answer to HOW MANY VOTES THEY CAN GET.

But back to the point...yes...Federalism is a kind of "trickle-down" hierarchy. The Federal Government should not be bothered with all the trivial things it deals with now. NOTHING is "free." The more we get the Imperial Government involved, the more the Imperial Government is going to cost, to maintain.

Wanna know why the Federal Government is as big as it is? It's OUR fault. Too many special interest groups tugging at the Feds' apron strings.
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Old 09-17-2007, 08:04 AM
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I do love me some 10th amendment. Problem is there's no money in it. Strict adherence would slash the federal government to a shadow of its current self. If the 10th really was applied to all facets of our government, we wouldn't even recognize government. The lobbyists would have to go to 50 different states for their pork, and have to suffer the humiliation of being that much closer to the citizens.

How I wish education, abortion (and all other moral decisions), transportation, and welfare responsibility was sent back to the states. Oh, how I wish.

Scalia is a horrendous example of a 10th supporter. Like the rest of em, he picks and chooses when to apply it, and only when it supports his ideological positions does he suddenly become a believer. I mean really, Bush v. Gore (aside from the rest of that issue that's been beat to DEATH) was the ultimate in 10th amendment scandal (among others).

The Commerce clause needs to go back into the depths of hell from which it came.
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The lobbyists would have to go to 50 different states for their pork, and have to suffer the humiliation of being that much closer to the citizens.
OH NO, NOT THE LOBBYISTS! Those poor, poor folks who do nothing but whore their special-interests votes to politicians, in exchange for millions of unnecessary pork projects? Jeepers, Shaggy...whatever shall they do?

Goodness! Imagine the BILLIONS of dollars saved! That's unheard of!

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I mean really, Bush v. Gore (aside from the rest of that issue that's been beat to DEATH) was the ultimate in 10th amendment scandal (among others).
Yes..it was a disgrace that the Feds got involved in that. They should have just left it to the State to decide.
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The Defense would like to speak your honor.

Nessasary and Proper Clause.
Implied Powers.
Supremecy Clause.
Commerce Clause.
Civil War.

100 Years of congressional rulings to back all this up, beginning with Gibbons V Ogden and Marbach v Maryland.

The Defense rests your honor.

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We're not there yet...just vote for the Hildabeast, and all your "1984" Orwellian dreams will come true.
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We're not there yet...just vote for the Hildabeast, and all your "1984" Orwellian dreams will come true.
Please see "The Idiot Test" thread under political beliefs.

I don't believe in 1984 scenarios regardless of who is in power. Only idiots do.

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Ooooh...look how seeeerious I am!
I think you take things a little too seriously on this board. Your snide superiority complex doesn't really help either.
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The Defense would like to speak your honor.

Nessasary and Proper Clause.
Implied Powers.
Supremecy Clause.
Commerce Clause.
Civil War.

100 Years of congressional rulings to back all this up, beginning with Gibbons V Ogden and Marbach v Maryland.

The Defense rests your honor.

Ixtellor

P.S. Clarence Thomas "There is no right to privacy in the Constitution"
Go suck on that on libertarians, and while your at it, please focus the cameras in your living room, your coming in a little fuzzy.

P.S.S. In case that was over your head: No implied powers = no right to privacy. Please register with the Government for your neck tatoo and identification chip.
Okay, I get it. (I think).

That one was a little hard to tease apart, Ix, but I think I get the message. Good point.
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Wanna know why the Federal Government is as big as it is? It's OUR fault. Too many special interest groups tugging at the Feds' apron strings.
Yeah - this is a problem. Well, let's see, how do you feel about the "big" federal government, in this context:

I mean, the argument would be: the world is changing. There are "many" more people than there used to be, and therefore "much" more opportunity to do something wrong. Furthermore, we live in a dangerous world, where an individual can cause massive destruction just by going to the store and buying a few over-the-counter items. So, the government needs to be "vigilant", and make sure that it understands what's happening on the strreet.

And, it would be kinda stupid to have each State replicate all that machinery fifty times, so it makes sense to have the Federal government fulfill that function.

How does that "logic" play with you?
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I mean really, Bush v. Gore (aside from the rest of that issue that's been beat to DEATH) was the ultimate in 10th amendment scandal (among others).
Hmm.... I'm not sure I understand this one, would you mind elaborating on this please?

What's the connection? Between the 10th and BvGore?

(Sorry, not being flippant, just temporarily stupid.... I'm not really following this train of thought. Are you saying the federal government had no right to force a recount? Or what are you saying exactly?)
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