Ron Paul supporters who will not support the GOP nominee are Liberals

**squidward** · Jan 02 2012, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by AbsoluteVoluntarist

No candidate has zero chance. It's almost a year away. He does better than any candidate other than Romney and would likely grab huge numbers of independents and devastate Obama's base. He's the only one that could attack Obama from both the right and the left.

It's a given that come november either candidate will have somewhere near 50% of the support, something the staunch neo-cons fail to acknowledge.

The key to victory is how many independent and obama voters the candidate sway. On that front, Paul does much better than any of the other republican candidates.

**Roon** · Jan 02 2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by texmaster

That is too easy. Israel is an ally in a hostile part of the world. We benefit from that alliance from information to base support.

So you would support Welfare for your friend living in the south side of Chicago for example?

And for all the "similarities" you give me between the two sides its the differences that define the direction of the nation.

Do you really believe liberal judges and conservative judges are the same?

Judges run the country? (*)(*)(*)(*), time for me to become a judge.

Do you really believe Bush and Obama perused the same agenda in office?

Yep. Bush started Gitmo and both wars, Obama continued them.

Bush signed Medicare Part D and Obama pushed for Obamacare.

Both were all for bailouts.

What differences do you see other than Fox news told you so?

Do you really believe the direct opposite of what you believe in and the side you have differences with but still share core values is the same?

Yes, because those differences are HUGE.

**texmaster** · Jan 02 2012, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by peoplevsmedia

If Ron Paul supporters who will not support the GOP nominee are Liberals, then
WHO ARE THESE:

What in hell are you talking about?

The subject is about Paul supporters who have said they refuse to support the GOP nominee if Paul isn't elected.

Exactly what are you smoking?

**algranny** · Jan 02 2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by squidward

It's a given that come november either candidate will have somewhere near 50% of the support, something the staunch neo-cons fail to acknowledge.

The key to victory is how many independent and obama voters the candidate sway. On that front, Paul does much better than any of the other republican candidates.

You are very wrong, Independents and many Republicans won't support Paul because of his rants. He spends many times telling what he is against, yet very little on what he is FOR, what would President Paul support? That isn't known, we had the same from the Obama camp in 2008, well we have all found out what he was for afterwards. Before I would even consider votting for him, I want to know what he will do, not what he is against. Present a plan to look over first. so far he hasn't!

As stated for anyone to say if my candidate doesn't win I won't vote or write in a name, you would be guilty if Obama wins another election. You should just cast your vote his way and get used to handing down a bankrupt, freedomless socirey to all future generations!

**Foolardi** · Jan 02 2012, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by texmaster

Lets call a spade a spade.

Any Ron Paul supporter or anyone else from Evangelical to fiscal conservative who would vote third party or even cheer on an Obama win is an Obama supporter.

True conservatives see this man as the most damaging president to this country in modern history. Knowing this anyone who doesn't get their perfect republican candidate and would cheer on Obama to win is an Obama supporter.

No more pretending. Any of the GOP candidates would not govern from the far left as Obama has done. And most importantly they would put in Conservative judges which is where the law is now fought. To cheer for Obama is to cheer for more liberal judges who base their rulings off emotion not the law and spit upon almost everything conservatives believe in.

Even if you don't like any of the GOP candidates you have to admit they would be answerable to the GOP just like Obama is answerable to the far left. If you refuse to vote for someone who only believes in at worst 50% of what you believe and cheer on someone who believes in 10% of what you believe you are a supporter of the latter and you will be called as such.

Which is the Con Ron Paul supporters are engaged in.It's Ron Paul
or nobody.That's not a GOP mindset.In fact,that is exactly why Ron Paul
has no business running as a Republican.
It was a con from the get-go.An easy way for Paul to establish
an audience w/o the added cost of going 3rd party.

**Roon** · Jan 02 2012, 09:47 AM

Originally Posted by Foolardi

Which is the Con Ron Paul supporters are engaged in.It's Ron Paul
or nobody.That's not a GOP mindset.

So the GOP is a hive mind?

Is the GOP the borg?

**texmaster** · Jan 02 2012, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Roon

So you would support Welfare for your friend living in the south side of Chicago for example?

No because someone living in the US and a foreign country are not the same thing.

Judges run the country? (*)(*)(*)(*), time for me to become a judge.

Have you even bothered to think about it for even a second?

How did the government get the right to take your property? Liberal judges on the Supreme Court

Who will decide Obamacare? Supreme Court

Who is blocking immigration law? Liberal judges.

Where have you been living?

Yep. Bush started Gitmo and both wars, Obama continued them.

Wrong again. Al Queada and the Taliban began the war in Afghanistan. Iraq began after violating 17 UN resolutions. Try again.

Bush signed Medicare Part D and Obama pushed for Obamacare.

LOL Not even close to being the same thing. Bush NEVER mandated health care insurance. This really has to be explained to you?

Both were all for bailouts.

In massively disproportionate numbers. Nice try.

What differences do you see other than Fox news told you so?

Spoken like a liberal. The evil Fox News. LOL

Obama is against illegal immigration control.

He wants to mandate Health Care

He wants to spend our way out of debt

He wants higher taxes on job creators

He puts in liberal judges

He wants to keep voting open to fraud by denying voter ID checks

Unbelievable this has to be explained to you.

Yes, because those differences are HUGE.

Yes they are. The stupidity of your claims is not thinking before posting.

You still haven't answered the question. Do you really believe liberal judges and conservative judges are the same?

**texmaster** · Jan 02 2012, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by Foolardi

Which is the Con Ron Paul supporters are engaged in.It's Ron Paul
or nobody.That's not a GOP mindset.In fact,that is exactly why Ron Paul
has no business running as a Republican.
It was a con from the get-go.An easy way for Paul to establish
an audience w/o the added cost of going 3rd party.

Totally agree.

All you Ron Paul supporters who claim the GOP and Obama are the same: So why is Ron Paul running as a Republican? Answer that one.

**kilgram** · Jan 02 2012, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by NetworkCitizen

Just as long as you call us classical liberals, like our founders. Meanwhile, I'll call the GOP what they have become...imperialist/progressive/globalist/corporatist/authoritarian/totalitarian

Bush raised federal spending more than any president since FDR.

Obama is not even a liberal, he is: imperialist/progressive/globalist/corporatist/authoritarian/totalitarian

Progressive? In what way? :-S

Really the language of the right is really funny. That you tell progressive to a liberal ok. But to a Conservative is stupid.

**Roon** · Jan 02 2012, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by texmaster

No because someone living in the US and a foreign country are not the same thing.

We are talking about principles here. Welfare at its core is the idea that an entity is unable to care for itself and needs support. This manifests itself in both foriegn aid and domestic welfare. You either support it or are against it. I support Israel 100% and feel that its time for Israel to grow up and be a big country and fight its own fights. You seem to think Israel is unable to do this and would rather give them an allowance for doing their yearly chores of providing the US inteligence and supporting our bases.

Welfare is bad no matter who gets it.

Have you even bothered to think about it for even a second?

How did the government get the right to take your property? Liberal judges on the Supreme Court

What exactly are you talking about? If its Emminent domain the fifth ammendment to the Constitution allows that.

Who will decide Obamacare? Supreme Court

This will be decided long before the election.

Who is blocking immigration law? Liberal judges.

Well, some would say the law is blocking the immigration debate. Its not exactly cut and dry legally. My opinions on it aside of course.

Wrong again. Al Queada and the Taliban began the war in Afghanistan. Iraq began after violating 17 UN resolutions. Try again.

Oh? I thought a bunch of Saudi's flew planes into the WTC and we reacted by invading Afghanistan instead of Saudi Arabia.

What UN resolutions did Iraq violate? I seem to remember something about finding no WMD's in Iraq...were some of those "violated" resolutions about WMD's?!?!

LOL Not even close to being the same thing. Bush NEVER mandated health care insurance. This really has to be explained to you?

Medicare is socialized medicine and so is Obamacare. The mandate is what you are hanging your hat on?

In massively disproportionate numbers. Nice try.

Oh?! So it doesn't matter if you support bailouts or not, just how BIG of a bailout you support?

Obama is against illegal immigration control.

He wants the hispanic vote....Gingrich feels the same way. Whats your point?

He wants to mandate Health Care

Romney started it.

He wants to spend our way out of debt

So did Bush.

He wants higher taxes on job creators

Yep