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Old 11-14-2007, 12:29 PM
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Me: I am holding them responsible for their own actions.

Excuse me but who are you again?
Sadistic-Savior. My alias is listed at the top of every post I make on here.


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You break a window playing ball (or hit a home run), you can’t blame (give credit) little Johnny who decided to go fishing instead, that day!
You can if Little Johnny had the power to prevent it. In your analogy he didnt even try.


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Blame or taking credit, goes to those who actually had something to do with an act, one way or the other.
Failing to attempt to prevent the act has to do with the act.


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There is a reason why all the non-voters votes don’t automatically go to the winner! Cuz they have to earn it on their own, and it isn’t theirs to take!
They had the option to prevent whoever won from winning. They chose not to.


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Says the anonymous character on a chat forum! I suppose you want me to take your word for it too?
So you are saying you can make claims without any proof but I cant do the same?


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Me: It has nothing to do with being on the winning side...if Hillary wins I will not regret voting Republican.

Even though you are technically more of a liberal than you are a republican?
Why would I vote for someone who doesnt represent my ideology? What exactly makes you think that Hillary represents my ideology more than any of the Republican candidates?
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Old 11-15-2007, 09:08 AM
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Sadistic-Savior. My alias is listed at the top of every post I make on here.
Interesting moniker, oxymoron that it is. I was speaking more of your credentials, like as in who died and put you in charge of the voting police?

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You can if Little Johnny had the power to prevent it. In your analogy he didnt even try.
See how you are? Once again your assumption is without any validity, ethical or otherwise! Only a typical dishonest ploy to place blame on someone other than the individual in which blame should be properly directed too. You in this case!

In fact little Johnny did mention the close proximity of the homes in regards to the makeshift street playing field. He even offered an alternative location in which to carry out what in any other case would have been an enjoyable afternoon spent with friends & playmates on a beautiful Saturday. Instead he ignored, teased, called names, even vilified for his responsible views/concerns, and was only given an ultimatum rather than any type of realistic choice? An ultimatum that basically consisted, of heads we win tales you lose! Now choose! IOW a typical supremacist attitude!

Little Johnny being placed in an either/or situation, by accepting the consequences of whatever comes from activities he already knows are reckless and irresponsible, or bowing down to the influence of peer pressure for the sake of gaining acceptance above all sense of principles, decides on a third choice! One of personal responsibility and actual integrity! He went fishing! While little Johnny and his family are enjoying a nice fish fry later that afternoon, you and the rest of your guilty cohorts would be cleaning, mowing and raking Mrs. Anderson’s yard to pay her back for the window you broke. Your irresponsible behavior not only cost you but it also directly effected others who were influenced by your popularity rather than any sense of right or wrong, and it even effected those who had no direct involvement in your recklessness.

Little Johnny had a good time fishing but he would have rather been playing ball, and Mrs. Anderson didn’t ask for her window to be broken, or the unexpected expense of having to replace her window even if she was compensated by the work you guys did to repay her. Then what about all the people who were inconvenienced by the road being blocked with kids, Miss Kennedy was almost late getting to work, and what about those who will never know how or when the damage to their own property was done. That designer block that Mr. Thompson had in his flower bed that ya’ll broke when it was being used for second base. The welcome mat Mr. and Mrs. Dunlap will never see again used for home plate. Mr. Simm’s probably won’t notice the antenna ya’ll broke when somebody hit a foul ball for a couple days, and the Tyler’s mailbox that was bashed in by a line drive could have happened anytime. Sprinkler heads broken, dents/scratches on cars parked too close to the road, etc…etc…

But in your infinite wisdom, it was little Johnny’s fault because he chose not to be forced into making the wrong decision! You’re a piece of work aren’t you? (rhetorical since you will no doubt not catch the actual intent and agree that you are)

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So you are saying you can make claims without any proof but I cant do the same?
Here is a government study that actually question infrequent and non-voters. I know it will not mean anything to you because it doesn’t say what you want it too, but even supremacists have a right to their opinion.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepol...whynotvote.htm

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#1. The perception that politics are controlled by special interests is widely shared among two-thirds of the survey’s respondents, and represents a significant barrier to voter participation.

#2. A feeling that candidates don’t really speak to them was cited as the second leading reason why infrequent voters and nonvoters do not vote.

#3. The survey found that 28 percent of infrequent voters and 23 percent of those unregistered said they do not vote or do not register to vote because they are too busy.
Sound familiar? Oh, and your welcome!

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Still, 93 percent of infrequent voters agreed that voting is an important part of being a good citizen (unfortunately the choices are limited too worse and/or worser and the lesser of two evils these days)

and 81 percent of nonvoters agreed it is an important way to voice their opinions on issues that affect their families and communities. (even if the politicians are influenced more by special interest groups and the upper elite than the people they are sworn to represent)

“Civic duty and self-expression provide strong incentives to get potential voters to the polls, despite pervasive cynicism about the influence of special interests,”
So it would seem that “ALL” are not lacking in concern, or indifferent to the understanding of what their vote is “supposed” to mean and/or stand for! They simply are disgusted with a failed system of bureaucratic professional politicians that says it represents the people on one hand, then caters to special interests groups ($$$), and the rich/elite ($$$) that grease their palms of their other hand, hidden behind their back!

Who are the non-voters?
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The survey found that nonvoters are disproportionately young, single, less educated and more likely to be of an ethnic minority than infrequent and frequent voters. 40 percent of nonvoters are under 30 years old, compared to 29 percent of infrequent voters and 14 percent of frequent voters. Infrequent voters are much more likely to be married than nonvoters, with 50 percent of infrequent voters married compared to only 34 percent of nonvoters. 76% of nonvoters have less than a college degree, compared to 61 percent of infrequent voters and 50 percent of frequent voters. Among nonvoters, 54 percent are white or Caucasian compared to 60 percent of infrequent voters and 70 percent of frequent voters.
So what is the mindset of the young and educated of today?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,311771,00.html

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Poll: NYU Students Would Sell Their Right to Vote for Free Tuition

According to the report, a survey of 3,000 students conducted by an NYU undergraduate journalism class found that an overwhelming majority of those polled said their right to vote could be for sale; in addition to the 66 percent who said they'd trade their vote for a free year of college, 20 percent said they'd exchange their vote for an Ipod Touch. Half of the students polled said they'd forfeit their right to vote forever for $1 million.
Looks like there may be hope for the neo-con artists in the next election after all? Since your kind have profited extremely well in the past 7 years off of the war of profiteering, you should be able to buy enough votes with the purchase of I-pods to guarantee another upset, even if the rigged voting machines don’t work properly! Although the profits have been exceptionally well, the $1 millon a student certainly isn't completely out of the realm of possibilities either!
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Interesting moniker, oxymoron that it is.
It isnt an oxymoron.


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I was speaking more of your credentials, like as in who died and put you in charge of the voting police?
What makes you think anyone had to die to do that?


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See how you are? Once again your assumption is without any validity, ethical or otherwise! Only a typical dishonest ploy to place blame on someone other than the individual in which blame should be properly directed too.
Blame should rest on the one who ultimately has power. In a democracy, that is the voter.

You want to make excuses for them. I dont accept your excuses.



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But in your infinite wisdom, it was little Johnny’s fault because he chose not to be forced into making the wrong decision!
He is obligated to register his opinion at the very least, even if he is ultimately outvoted. He isnt being forced to make any decision...he can choose whatever he wants.


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Here is a government study that actually question infrequent and non-voters. I know it will not mean anything to you because
...election results supercede it.

Unless you can prove to me that they are physically or legally being prevented from voting when they would otherwise be able to vote, there is nothing further to discuss. I dont accept your argument that they are being manipulated into voting (or not voting) against their will.


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So it would seem that “ALL” are not lacking in concern, or indifferent to the understanding of what their vote is “supposed” to mean and/or stand for!
Doesnt seem that way to me.


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They simply are disgusted with a failed system of bureaucratic professional politicians that says it represents the people on one hand, then caters to special interests groups ($$$), and the rich/elite ($$$) that grease their palms of their other hand, hidden behind their back!
If they were really disgusted they would do something about it...like vote in people who share their views. Write in candidates. Or vote for themselves.

If they dont do that, then we have no real way of knowing if they are disgusted or not. All we have is your opinion....which isnt good enough.


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Looks like there may be hope for the neo-con artists in the next election after all?
I never assumed otherwise. The lazyness of liberals is definitely an asset.


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Since your kind have profited extremely well in the past 7 years off of the war of profiteering, you should be able to buy enough votes with the purchase of I-pods to guarantee another upset, even if the rigged voting machines don’t work properly!
I doubt it'll come to that. The mere fact that people like you have no better alternative is probably all we will need.
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It isnt an oxymoron.
It isn't if you are a masochist!

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What makes you think anyone had to die to do that?
It's a figure of speech, if I have to explain it too you...

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Blame should rest on the one who ultimately has power. In a democracy, that is the voter.
If your vote goes towards the promotion of what we have now, a corrupt system of criminals that take an oath but swear their actual allegiance to a minority, the rich/elite! Then I agree! You are to blame!

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You want to make excuses for them. I dont accept your excuses.
Well la-tee-da!! Once again who died and left you in charge? (I won’t hold my breath waiting for you to get it)

In your supremacist way of thinking if the dog doesn't eat the food the master puts before him, it couldn't be the food? The dog is obviously too lazy and/or stupid to eat! The dog is sending you a message!

The citizens are also sending you a message, you simply choose to ignore the obvious! You and others like you have selective comprehension & arrogance, which appears only to be exceeded by deliberate ignorance, has destroyed the voters trust in the system, and why they at times, numbering over 50%, are clearly sending you a message you pretend to not understand!

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He is obligated to register his opinion at the very least, even if he is ultimately outvoted. He isnt being forced to make any decision...he can choose whatever he wants.
As long as there is a 'D' or an 'R' next to the name otherwise the vote is mute whether they vote for themselves, someone else they now doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning, or write in “none of the above”. The way you make it sound, "none of the above" is legitimate option to insure that their opinion is properly registered, as you state. But it's not! At least if it was you wouldn't be able to pretend to speak for them anymore! That would be a plus!

Heads I win, tales you lose is not a democratic process!

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The mere fact that people like you have no better alternative is probably all we will need.


Thank you for making my point! Neither party is an acceptable alternative to the other! Yes we finally agree! So in essence the largest party, the disenfranchised majority, will inevitably lose again!
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Sorry for stating the obvious guys, but I think Murdoch knows who's most likely to win the election. He courted Blair over here because he was a vote winner and there's very few in power he's not in bed with. He's the Al Capone of the media world, and basically he runs a cartel, and obviously Hillary has something he wants, and something he thinks is right for the time.
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If your vote goes towards the promotion of what we have now, a corrupt system of criminals that take an oath but swear their actual allegiance to a minority, the rich/elite! Then I agree! You are to blame!
If you refuse to vote for change you are also to blame.


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Well la-tee-da!! Once again who died and left you in charge?
No one had to die.


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In your supremacist way of thinking if the dog doesn't eat the food the master puts before him, it couldn't be the food?
In this analogy, the dog has the option of choosing a new master if the food tastes that bad.


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The dog is obviously too lazy and/or stupid to eat!
He might be. More likely he isnt hungry enough yet.


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The dog is sending you a message!
The message I am getting is that he's either too lazy to eat or he isnt hungry enough.



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The citizens are also sending you a message, you simply choose to ignore the obvious!
I dont agree that your conclusion is the obvious conclusion. I dont accept your excuses.




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Me: He is obligated to register his opinion at the very least, even if he is ultimately outvoted. He isnt being forced to make any decision...he can choose whatever he wants.

As long as there is a 'D' or an 'R' next to the name
My ballot had parties on it that did not start with a "D" or an "R". And I had a space to write in my own.


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otherwise the vote is mute whether they vote for themselves
Which would be a REAL protest, since then we would no longer have to make guesses like you are doing. We'd know what they want.



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someone else they now doesn’t have a chance in hell of winning, or write in “none of the above”.
You dont always get your candidate elected in a democracy. Sorry. Thats how democracy is supposed to work.


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The way you make it sound, "none of the above" is legitimate option to insure that their opinion is properly registered
Actually, no. Selecting an actual candidate (even if only yourself) is how you register an opinion. "None of the above" isnt a candidate.



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At least if it was you wouldn't be able to pretend to speak for them anymore!
You mean like you are doing now? heh heh

You've just spent several posts pretending to speak for them.


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Heads I win, tales you lose is not a democratic process!
It isnt heads or tails only, because you have more than two options.



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Thank you for making my point! Neither party is an acceptable alternative to the other! Yes we finally agree!
If it makes you feel better to believe that, go right ahead.



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So in essence the largest party, the disenfranchised majority, will inevitably lose again!
You have not proven that the majority is disenfranchised or is the equivilent of a single party. Your opinion is not fact.



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