Thread: Why I am a geoist-style capitalist and not a rightwing-style capitalist

I'll start with a bit of philosophy. Obviously, only a true commie would argue against the seemingly instinctual behavior to trade things, because voluntary trading makes both (or more) individuals "wealthier". But this is only sustainable if new things are being produced. If cars and laptops and cellphones weren't being built anymore and carpentry and construction weren't being done anymore, then there'd be cars and laptops etc. lingering for a while, but eventually, Entropy would prevail and nothing would be left.

The only way to really tell whether anything is "valuable", is the test of whether or not someone can produce something and have people consider it "valuable" enough to voluntarily purchase it, and have profit left over. If people don't buy it enough and pay enough for it to be profitable, then they don't "need/want" it enough to make it worth the physical resources, labor and time (the 3 ingredients to wealth) to create.

Therefore I do consider myself a capitalist. But I also consider myself a geoist.

The main reason why is because there are some valuable things that exist naturally, that you cannot produce nor improve, and even if you could, it'd still be immoral to occupy it and make people pay for it. This includes things such as air and indeed-although to a lesser extent-land.

Air is obviously something that companies should not privately own and sell because if that were legal, then they could theoretically suck up all Earth's oxygen supply and make you pay anything they wanted just so you could breathe! But to use a less extreme example, the same can be essentially said of land.

You cannot produce land (unless you triggered a volcanic eruption in the ocean that could result in above-sea-level rock or something). You cannot "improve" land either; putting a house or the like on top of land does not improve LAND, it simply creates shelter. The land is simply underneath the house being occupied.


Final point: My solution is to not abolish private ownership of land, because you need to occupy some amount of land in order to even have a house or other property (farms, gardens etc.) My solution is to, however, not allow Big Land Rent to immorally transfer large amounts of wealth to themselves and become wealthy from doing so. It's sorta hard to say that when you consider that my own father owns a few houses that he's renting and wants to give one of them to me and one each to his other kids when he dies, because I know he is doing so out of love, but I still can't stand for that.

Originally Posted by DeathStar

My solution is to, however, not allow Big Land Rent to immorally transfer large amounts of wealth to themselves and become wealthy from doing so..

but the problem is more simple to me over population of humans masses, causing a shortage of land and rent, so the one cause of extreme to survive with shelter , cause the the other extreme jewwealthyer like manipulater .

Originally Posted by trucker

but the problem is more simple to me over population of humans masses, causing a shortage of land and rent, so the one cause of extreme to survive with shelter , cause the the other extreme jewwealther like manipulater .

That did not really make sense, but yes I agree that Earth is overpopulated by humans..by about 7 billion humans.

Originally Posted by DeathStar

That did not really make sense, but yes I agree that Earth is overpopulated by humans..by about 7 billion humans.

dont worry nature is at play to make a big downsize, israel and iran could set the wild fire off, but its deeper then that female domanice is so out of control in this time line , i feel that a sexist civil war will also insue, with the homsexuals joining the feminist and white males siding with other races like the arabs islam and mexicans males in a battle that will led to a slaughter of millions ,that would finish clearing out the fat that is left over after the nucular war

Originally Posted by DeathStar

That did not really make sense, but yes I agree that Earth is overpopulated by humans..by about 7 billion humans.

Yes...right you are. The time line from (say) 1AD had a population of apx 1/4 billion worldwide and it slowly inched it's way up to 1/2 billion by the time of The Plague. That brought it back down to apx 1/3 of a billion world wide with a low inching until oil was found. At that point there was no more gradual rise in population, it was astronomic and reached 7 billion in under 150 years. Oil...what moves the world is crippling it at the same time. We rely on oil and no one has an alternative yet...it also produces ingredients that go into our fertilizers that keep food safe, which is one main reason for the population explosion. The earth got rid of dinosaurs which helped produce the oil, next unless we come up with a viable alternative to dinosaurs residue, we are next...at least most of us.

Originally Posted by CoolWalker

Yes...right you are. The time line from (say) 1AD had a population of apx 1/4 billion worldwide and it slowly inched it's way up to 1/2 billion by the time of The Plague. That brought it back down to apx 1/3 of a billion world wide with a low inching until oil was found. At that point there was no more gradual rise in population, it was astronomic and reached 7 billion in under 150 years. Oil...what moves the world is crippling it at the same time. We rely on oil and no one has an alternative yet...it also produces ingredients that go into our fertilizers that keep food safe, which is one main reason for the population explosion. The earth got rid of dinosaurs which helped produce the oil, next unless we come up with a viable alternative to dinosaurs residue, we are next...at least most of us.

This has to be the best post I've read on this particular forum..ever. +REP!!

Originally Posted by DeathStar

This has to be the best post I've read on this particular forum..ever. +REP!!

I humbly thank you. While I am a conservative, I am not brain-dead to the plight of humanity.

Originally Posted by trucker

dont worry nature is at play to make a big downsize, israel and iran could set the wild fire off, but its deeper then that female domanice is so out of control in this time line , i feel that a sexist civil war will also insue, with the homsexuals joining the feminist and white males siding with other races like the arabs islam and mexicans males in a battle that will led to a slaughter of millions ,that would finish clearing out the fat that is left over after the nucular war

Isn't that a Facebook game?

Originally Posted by DeathStar

That did not really make sense, but yes I agree that Earth is overpopulated by humans..by about 7 billion humans.

By no metric is our Earth overpopulated. Instead, the problem is that freedom is underutilized.

Originally Posted by Subdermal

By no metric is our Earth overpopulated. Instead, the problem is that freedom is underutilized.

If you could be any more wrong I would so state. The amount of food consumed daily by 7 billion people is staggering. many countries have very little food because of poor irrigation and other water issues. The amount of chemicals that come from oil to help with food production is also staggering. While physical space may not be taken up by 7 billion inhabitants, what they consume and utilize is beyond comprehension. That and the fact that 7 billion today will become 10 billion in 6-10 more years and on and on. We have a "growing problem". Half of the world is taking care of the other half, well almost, some of those are dying-off from starvation and illness.