Thread: How Do You Discourage People From Having Premarital (& extramarital) Sex

Originally Posted by Proud Progressive

Tell the young boys thier first sexual encounter must be with Ann Coulter.

And the girls Rush Limbaugh... shoot or the boys.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

That is largely a myth.

No, I don't think so. They took pictures.

Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry

No, I don't think so. They took pictures.

A few instances of aberrant behavior proves nothing.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

Just look at the huge rate of illegitimate births compared to the 1960s and early 1970s to today. And that is despite legalized abortions and easy access to birth control.

That's due to the lessening of the stigma associated with such. Nowadays, it is rare to force a child to marry, or to have a back-alley abortion, or to live in a nunnery. If you can establish that a shotgun marriage improves the life of the child as opposed to being born out of wedlock then present that data.

At this point you are just assuming the premise that people being born outside of a marriage is a bad, or immoral, or "illegitimate" thing but have not taken a single step to establish that.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

A few instances of aberrant behavior proves nothing.

Well, then there goes the story about teenage group sex that you gleaned second hand by eavesdropping on a 14 year old...

Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry

That's due to the lessening of the stigma associated with such. Nowadays, it is rare to force a child to marry, or to have a back-alley abortion, or to live in a nunnery. If you can establish that a shotgun marriage improves the life of the child as opposed to being born out of wedlock then present that data.

At this point you are just assuming the premise that people being born outside of a marriage is a bad, or immoral, or "illegitimate" thing but have not taken a single step to establish that.

That has been pretty much a given in social and cultural thought for decades.

Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan who was a liberal Democrat lectured on that very theme for decades.

Originally Posted by tomfoo13ry

Well, then there goes the story about teenage group sex that you gleaned second hand by eavesdropping on a 14 year old...

Boom, roasted. I can't believe Dayton keeps coming back here day after day.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

A few instances of aberrant behavior proves nothing.

wouldn't you just love to know what happened to these people. Or see a photo of them if they're alive, today? or maybe not.

"Unfortunately, many Christians use the Bible to support their own prejudices and bigotry. They talk about "biblical family values" as if the Bible had a clear message on marriage and sexuality. Let's be clear: There's no such thing as "biblical family values" because the Bible does not speak to the topic clearly and consistently.

It's high time people came clean about how we use the Bible. When Christians try to resolve difficult ethical and theological matters, they typically appeal to the Gospels and Paul's letters as keys to the question. But what about marriage? Not only did Jesus choose not to marry, he encouraged his disciples to abandon household and domestic concerns in order to follow him (Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:28-30; Luke 9:57-62). He even refers to those "who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 19:10-13). Whatever that means, it's certainly not an endorsement of marriage. Paul likewise encourages male believers: "Do not seek a wife" (1 Corinthians 7:27, my translation) -- advice Paul took for himself. If neither Jesus nor Paul preferred marriage for their followers, why do some Christians maintain that the Bible enshrines 19th-century Victorian family values?"

---Professor of Theology

At least one of the apostles was married. She was martyred before he was.