Thread: How Do You Discourage People From Having Premarital (& extramarital) Sex

Originally Posted by Dave1mo

"Unfortunately, many Christians use the Bible to support their own prejudices and bigotry. They talk about "biblical family values" as if the Bible had a clear message on marriage and sexuality. Let's be clear: There's no such thing as "biblical family values" because the Bible does not speak to the topic clearly and consistently.

It's high time people came clean about how we use the Bible. When Christians try to resolve difficult ethical and theological matters, they typically appeal to the Gospels and Paul's letters as keys to the question. But what about marriage? Not only did Jesus choose not to marry, he encouraged his disciples to abandon household and domestic concerns in order to follow him (Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:28-30; Luke 9:57-62). He even refers to those "who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 19:10-13). Whatever that means, it's certainly not an endorsement of marriage. Paul likewise encourages male believers: "Do not seek a wife" (1 Corinthians 7:27, my translation) -- advice Paul took for himself. If neither Jesus nor Paul preferred marriage for their followers, why do some Christians maintain that the Bible enshrines 19th-century Victorian family values?"

---Professor of Theology

Meaningless drivel from a man with an agenda obviously.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

Meaningless drivel from a man with an agenda obviously.

A man of the cloth. More proof that you will only use the bible to further your own hateful agenda.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

What is the best way to discourage people from having sexual relations before marriage (and of course with someone they are not married to while they are married) if you believe as I do that sexual morality and avoidance of sex outside of marriage in all forms is a vital social good?

See the book "Civilizing Sex" for more on this subject.

Rick Santorum would be proud! I have no doubt you would also like to go as far as criminalizing casual and per-marital sex. Your kind is whats wrong witt this country, Religious extremists who think they have the right to dicate to others how to live. Get out of my country you and your kind are not wanted here. And take your pathetic "christian morals" with you.

Originally Posted by Dave1mo

A man of the cloth. More proof that you will only use the bible to further your own hateful agenda.

You have no proof that it is from a "man of the cloth" (as if such a think actually exists in a real church).

And since when does wanting people to avoid premarital and extramarital sex constitute a "hateful agenda"?

Having people restrain their sexual impulses to within marriage harms no one whatsoever and certainly improves many things.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

there is nothing wrong with morality.

In fact it is commendable.

But I can see the entire "attack the messenger" mentality is about to go full blown.

Typical

I doubt there isn't anyone in this thread disagrees morals are commendable. Without them, I dont think you can be a good human. You'd be hurting people all the time and perhaps in very serious ways.

The thing is we all have a different set of morals and order of those morals and one set isn't right or wrong or better than another.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

You have no proof that it is from a "man of the cloth" (as if such a think actually exists in a real church).

And since when does wanting people to avoid premarital and extramarital sex constitute a "hateful agenda"?

Having people restrain their sexual impulses to within marriage harms no one whatsoever and certainly improves many things.

Forcing people to follow your suspect "moral code" harms nobody whatsoever? I beg to differ.

Originally Posted by Montoya

Rick Santorum would be proud! I have no doubt you would also like to go as far as criminalizing casual and per-marital sex. Your kind is whats wrong witt this country, Religious extremists who think they have the right to dicate to others how to live. Get out of my country you and your kind are not wanted here. And take your pathetic "christian morals" with you.

My kind built this country into what it became at its heights while the grossly immoral people have tried to take it down the tubes.

One way or another, I and others like me are going to take this country back.

So beware of being on the wrong side of history........

Originally Posted by dairyair

I doubt there isn't anyone in this thread disagrees morals are commendable. Without them, I dont think you can be a good human. You'd be hurting people all the time and perhaps in very serious ways.

The thing is we all have a different set of morals and order of those morals and one set isn't right or wrong or better than another.

well if you won't say what those non traditional morals are how can we make that determination. I hear all this talk about having morals, but some sure don't want to say what they are.

And i'm not so sure that morals are so relative.

Originally Posted by Dave1mo

Forcing people to follow your suspect "moral code" harms nobody whatsoever? I beg to differ.

And once again, I've said nothing about "forcing" anyone to do anything.

I can't help it if you are incapable of reading the thread or too lazy to do so.

Originally Posted by Dayton3

My kind built this country into what it became at its heights while the grossly immoral people have tried to take it down the tubes.

One way or another, I and others like me are going to take this country back.

So beware of being on the wrong side of history........

No sorry you are wrong. God has no place whatsoever in our government. And theocrats like you are a threat to the security of the USA.