Thread: "Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

And lest the overly sensitive, and hysterically offended become to hyper-ventilated, we should remove the phrase god from all federal buildings and treasury currency.....

to "protect" against govt instituted religion...........

its difficult not to mock atheist statists imaginary fears

Originally Posted by Really People?

I don't think it really matters...

You would ultimately be incorrect.

And I think it's in court because there is a group of people without something to better occupy their free time...

Your thinking is dismissive; that is your choice.

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

You would ultimately be incorrect.

The operative word in my post was think, indicating an opinion...

By definition, an opinion cannot be wrong...

Sorry...

Your thinking is dismissive; that is your choice.

There's that whole opinion thing again...

Originally Posted by Really People?

The operative word in my post was think, indicating an opinion...

Yet, people pursue the substance behind their opinions. So be it.

By definition, an opinion cannot be wrong...

(see the above)

Sorry...

Don't be sorry; just pay attention to what various courts rule on the matter. You don't care much, but the making and defining of laws which affect ALL... aren't contingent upon your individual interest or concern.

There's that whole opinion thing again...

Remember, there is usually something behind an opinion, and not all of them are equal.

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

Yet, people pursue the substance behind their opinions. So be it.


(see the above)


Don't be sorry; just pay attention to what various courts rule on the matter. You don't care much, but the making and defining of laws which affect ALL... aren't contingent upon your individual interest or concern.


Remember, there is usually something behind an opinion, and not all of them are equal.

I don't think it matters...

The fact that I don't think it matters cannot be incorrect...

People can have a differing opinion on the matter, but, that doesn't invalidate my opinion, nor does mine invalidate theirs...

That said, I don't think this really affects anyone at all...

Originally Posted by Really People?

I don't think it matters...

Okay.

The fact that I don't think it matters cannot be incorrect...

Opinions can be incorrect; aren't you aware of that? (Ever dealt with certain medical professionals?)

People can have a differing opinion on the matter, but, that doesn't invalidate my opinion, nor does mine invalidate theirs...

Your view is not particularly germane to the issue, because you are taking a passive position. You seem to be under the notion that others will not fight to have the "Pledge" changed or affected in some legal way. If that IS your notion, it is clear that you would be "incorrect"... as a serious court case is underway as we speak.

That said, I don't think this really affects anyone at all...

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Okay.

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

Opinions can be incorrect; aren't you aware of that? (Ever dealt with certain medical professionals?)

Just so we're clear, there are multiple definitions of the word opinion...

opinion[uh-pin-yuhn]   Origin o·pin·ion   /əˈpɪnyən/ Show Spelled[uh-pin-yuhn]

noun
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3. the formal expression of a professional judgment: to ask for a second medical opinion.
4. Law . the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5. a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.: to forfeit someone's good opinion.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

See, my opinion in this matter falls under definition #2...

Your attempt to prove me wrong falls under definition #3, a very different type of opinion...

But, I digest (sorry, had to throw that in...lol)

Your view is not particularly germane to the issue, because you are taking a passive position. You seem to be under the notion that others will not fight to have the "Pledge" changed or affected in some legal way. If that IS your notion, it is clear that you would be "incorrect"... as a serious court case is underway as we speak.

I have yet to say that no one will attempt to get it changed...

Obviously, people have taken challenges to the Pledge of Allegiance to court, otherwise, this would not be a discussion...

My point was, and this is another opinion, because maybe someone is deeply troubled by the inclusion of the phrase "under God" that they are not required to say, no one is going to be greatly affected by this, and, as such, is a waste of time in the courts...

Originally Posted by Really People?

Just so we're clear, there are multiple definitions of the word opinion...

In any case... people (enough of them) DO CARE about this "Pledge" issue.

It is in court now; I'm hoping that the most beneficial ruling for ALL will be the outcome.

It IS worth talking about... in my "opinion".

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

In any case... people (enough of them) DO CARE about this "Pledge" issue.

It is in court now; I'm hoping that the most beneficial ruling for ALL will be the outcome.

It IS worth talking about... in my "opinion".

Of course somebody cares about the issue...

That much is obvious...

I said I don't think it matters...

Originally Posted by Really People?

...I said I don't think it matters...

If people care, then it surely matters. Otherwise it would not have led to a court case. It definitely "matters".