Thread: "Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

Originally Posted by kenrichaed

Endure what issue?

Did you read the background on the "lawsuit"?

Do families seriously sit around the dinner table suffering because these words are on money?

Make your own thread about the "money", my OP is about the "Pledge".

Doubtful.

Irrelevant.

Originally Posted by kenrichaed

Endure what issue? Do families seriously sit around the dinner table suffering because these words are on money?

Doubtful.

A bunch of little things adding up can make people feel alienated. A lot of non-believers already feel alienated from their neighbors, and this could potentially make people feel alienated from their entire country.

I have thick enough skin that I don't really care about the pledge or what our money says, but even I feel alienated sometimes from the people around me because of the religion issue.

Originally Posted by youenjoyme420

A bunch of little things adding up can make people feel alienated. A lot of non-believers already feel alienated from their neighbors, and this could potentially make people feel alienated from their entire country.

I have thick enough skin that I don't really care about the pledge or what our money says, but even I feel alienated sometimes from the people around me because of the religion issue.

I know many people who are not believers and I have never heard one say they feel alienated. Usually they wear their lack of belief proudly and are often asking people why they believe what they do.

I'm not sure what I believe and don't have any hesitation debating either side of the issue. I think your incorrect with this statement.

Originally Posted by Daybreaker

There have been people who refused to use the money because it says that. Of course, this meant that they had to move to another country.

Then let them starve. That is absolutely the stupidest thing I have heard on this forum in the past few months.

If you are stupid enough to not use currency because it says God on it then I have zero sympathy for you. If they had a family and their children suffered because of this I would like for them to explain their case to child services and tell their story to their cellmates in prison.

Originally Posted by kenrichaed

I know many people who are not believers and I have never heard one say they feel alienated.

You really don't know better than what you're revealing here?

Here's a question: Why would they bring that up? Have you asked them how they really feel about what you are assuming here??

Usually they wear their lack of belief proudly and are often asking people why they believe what they do.

I know many quiet, even Christ-like unbelievers. So, don't assume too much.

I'm not sure what I believe and don't have any hesitation debating either side of the issue. I think your incorrect with this statement.

In any case, I would say that religious beliefs/values should NOT be imposed upon anyone (with the exception of people's own children... though personally I dislike that).

Originally Posted by Nightmare515

Then let them starve. That is absolutely the stupidest thing I have heard on this forum in the past few months.

If you are stupid enough to not use currency because it says God on it then I have zero sympathy for you. If they had a family and their children suffered because of this I would like for them to explain their case to child services and tell their story to their cellmates in prison.

What you're saying seems conceited to me.

Originally Posted by kenrichaed

I know many people who are not believers and I have never heard one say they feel alienated. Usually they wear their lack of belief proudly and are often asking people why they believe what they do.

I'm not sure what I believe and don't have any hesitation debating either side of the issue. I think your incorrect with this statement.

Atheists aren't usually doing that. Maybe in internet forums, because thats kind of the point, but in real life most are private about it. Pretty much every conversation I've gotten into about religion has been someone else instigating it.

I think it also depends on where in the country you live. I saw a story on either dateline or 60 minutes a few years back about an atheist father and daughter who basically got run out of a southern town because she wouldnt participate in a prayer before some sporting event.

Not to mention we are typically found to be the least trusted demographic in the country. That alone is pretty alienating.

Oh, and we aren't represented in the government at all as far as I'm aware.

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

You really don't know better than what you're revealing here?

Here's a question: Why would they bring that up? Have you asked them how they really feel about what you are assuming here??


I know many quiet, even Christ-like unbelievers. So, don't assume too much.


In any case, I would say that religious beliefs/values should NOT be imposed upon anyone (with the exception of people's own children... though personally I dislike that).

If they aren't revealing themselves to me than they aren't revealing themselves to you either so how do YOU know they feel alienated?

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

It is time to remove the words "...under God..." [added in 1954] from the "Pledge of Allegiance".



This lawsuit is going to bring that premise up for a national argument; I'm glad about that.

(Ultimately, this isn't just about the "Pledge" itself.)

Consider it removed. When you recite the Pledge of Allegiance, you are no longer are require to say "under God". However, please forgive me if I continue to say it every time I recite the Pledge.

Originally Posted by Chariot

The constitution was misinterpreted in the 1960s by activist judges on the supreme court. What is meant in the first amendment is that the US congress cannot establish a religion such as, for example; the church of England, I.E. there cannot be a church of the United States.

I think you'll find that "progressives" don't care about the constitution. Rather, they are more interested in what they want the document to say.