Thread: "Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

Bottom line is that no matter what happens on any issue, somebody is going to feel offended. You cannot make everyone happy so its not worth the effort.

I find kids that wear their jeans hanging below their ass very offensive so I want a Constitutional Amendment to make that illegal so I don't have to see some punk teen who thinks he's cool flashing his fruit of the looms around.

Originally Posted by iAWESOME

Does....it....really....matter ?...

Too anwser your question, no it doesn't matter.

We're talking about people, who have too much time on their hands, and looking foward to being offended.

Originally Posted by kenrichaed

If they aren't revealing themselves to me than they aren't revealing themselves to you either so how do YOU know they feel alienated?

I've spoken with literally thousands of people where I work in the military. I've talked with them about many things. I talk about 'religion' (beliefs, values doubts etc.); there are many atheists.

I've known many who were NOT believers in God.

Many remain quiet, because they realize they are seriously outnumbered and bringing that up around 'believers' doesn't help anything. But you are wrong, if you assume they don't often feel as though religion is being imposed upon them.

Originally Posted by Montoya

With freedom of religion also comes the inevitable freedom FROM religion.

Don't think that applies, partner...

My parents used to tell me that if I didn't like something someone was doing, if it didn't affect me in any way, IGNORE IT!!!

It's a very easy concept...

By pushing this "freedom from religion" concept, a lot of atheistic types seek to suppress others freedom to exercise their religion of choice...

*$.02*

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

I've spoken with literally thousands of people where I work in the military. I've talked with them about many things. I talk about 'religion' (beliefs, values doubts etc.); there are many atheists.

I've known many who were NOT believers in God.

Many remain quiet, because they realize they are seriously outnumbered and bringing that up around 'believers' doesn't help anything. But you are wrong, if you assume they don't often feel as though religion is being imposed upon them.

Take a walk through any college campus and you will see a totally different side. Its actually the believers who are outcasts and feel alienated there. Kinda works on both sides you know.

Don't you think that believers will feel under attack if we start removing God from everything? Or does their view not matter?

I think atheism is misguided, hear me out.

pantheism ( all god) trumps atheism because the natural embodies god.

no irrational super natural diety, just a greater system of the cosmos.

its perfectly scientific, and science becomes a path to greater knowledge of god (the cosmos)

freedom of religion is a choice we can make, but freedom from god (the cosmos) is impossible!

belief that YOU, a man can be supernatural is the path to destruction and the doom of us all.

Originally Posted by kenrichaed

Take a walk through any college campus and you will see a totally different side. Its actually the believers who are outcasts and feel alienated there. Kinda works on both sides you know.

Don't you think that believers will feel under attack if we start removing God from everything? Or does their view not matter?

What you said about colleges is completely unsubstantiated. The general population are believers by a large majority, and i see no reason to assume the same wouldnt apply to college students.

Give me a break, they feel under attack when someone says "happy holidays".

Originally Posted by youenjoyme420

What you said about colleges is completely unsubstantiated.

You are correct.

The general population are believers by a large majority, and i see no reason to assume the same wouldnt apply to college students.

Correct again.

Give me a break, they feel under attack when someone says "happy holidays".

Amen to that!

"Under the rule of law" doesn't sound as much fun.

Especially to those multitudes who break it, then seek Heavenly Father forgiveness.

Contritely. Again and again.

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

It is time to remove the words "...under God..." [added in 1954] from the "Pledge of Allegiance".



This lawsuit is going to bring that premise up for a national argument; I'm glad about that.

(Ultimately, this isn't just about the "Pledge" itself.)

They dont HAVE to say it, so I do not see how it violates anyones rights.