Thread: "Under God"... should be removed from the "Pledge"

Originally Posted by Shins

I think atheism is misguided, hear me out.

pantheism ( all god) trumps atheism because the natural embodies god.

no irrational super natural diety, just a greater system of the cosmos.

its perfectly scientific, and science becomes a path to greater knowledge of god (the cosmos)

freedom of religion is a choice we can make, but freedom from god (the cosmos) is impossible!

belief that YOU, a man can be supernatural is the path to destruction and the doom of us all.

I think twisting the meaning of god to be anything you want it to bastardizes the word. If your definition of god is just "nature" or "the cosmos", and nothing else, then I reject that definition. Why call it god when you could just call it nature or the cosmos.

I don't know any atheists that think they are supernatural.

Originally Posted by danboy9787

They dont HAVE to say it, so I do not see how it violates anyones rights.

Then YOU aren't applying the most proper or reasonable level of empathy.

I think people who think the way you do, should indeed be challenged.

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

Then YOU aren't applying the most proper or reasonable level of empathy.

I think people who think the way you do, should indeed be challenged.

Why? Our leaders elected to keep it. We spoke through our representatives to keep it. Or are you implying that just hearing the word "God" is against your freedoms?

Originally Posted by danboy9787

Why? Our leaders elected to keep it. We spoke through our representatives to keep it. Or are you implying that just hearing the word "God" is against your freedoms?

Do you want YOUR kids to have some pledge you disagree with, recited in their classroom every day they attend?

So, what's it going to be; mention of "God" in something the STATE deems important enough to have teachers/kids recite DAILY or THIS?

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

In 1923, the words, "the Flag of the United States of America" were added. At this time it read:

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

I'm very certain that in 1954, they made a terrible mistake in ADDING: "... under God..."

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

Do you want YOUR kids to have some pledge you disagree with, recited in their classroom every day they attend?

So, what's it going to be; mention of "God" in something the STATE deems important enough to have teachers/kids recite DAILY or THIS?


I'm very certain that in 1954, they made a terrible mistake in ADDING: "... under God..."

If my child disagrees with it, he doesn't have to say it. Its that simple. Hopefully he wont be a sheep that just starts to blindly follow.

The pledge as originally written says:

I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Wikipedia says:

The Pledge has been modified four times since its composition, with the most recent change adding the words "under God" in 1954.

All part of the McCarthyist war on atheism.

Regardless, the pledge should be removed from existence. I can find nothing in the Constitution to justify its existence.

Originally Posted by danboy9787

If my child disagrees with it, he doesn't have to say it.

Why not have the SCHOOL say something that your child can actually identify with? YOU may not be, but many other PARENTS are concerned about that.

Its that simple.

Okay... but only "simple" for you, your mindset and your family. I get it. But that isn't so for other Americans.

Hopefully he wont be a sheep that just starts to blindly follow.

Hopefully not. Even so, other parents do not want their kids being indoctrinated that way.

Originally Posted by danboy9787

If my child disagrees with it, he doesn't have to say it. Its that simple. Hopefully he wont be a sheep that just starts to blindly follow.

So if your not opposed to it saying something you don't agree with, surely your not opposed to "under god" just not being there, right?

Originally Posted by Black Monarch

The pledge as originally written says:

Wikipedia says:

All part of the McCarthyist war on atheism.

Regardless, the pledge should be removed from existence. I can find nothing in the Constitution to justify its existence.

____Yep!!____

In 1954, in response to the Communist threat of the times, President Eisenhower encouraged Congress to add the words "under God," creating the 31-word pledge we say today. Bellamy's daughter objected to this alteration.

Originally Posted by Johnny-C

But this significantly 'informs' how the U.S. Constitution is interpreted in such matters.

No, the Constitution doesn't address this but is socialists can find abortion in the Constitution they can find anything.