IS THE C.I.A. AMERICA'S FRIEND?

By Lynn Stuter

November 27, 2007


A nationwide news agency, supposedly of the conservative persuasion, recently sent out an e-gram containing items for sale loosely commemorating patriotism and the “holiday season.” Tucked amidst the offerings of DVD’s of John Wayne’s tribute to America and Cecil B DeMille’s epic classic, The Ten Commandments, with Yul Brynner and Charlton Heston, was an ad for a CIA cap, stating,

“The Central Intelligence Agency — the CIA — is known as one of the world’s most secretive and effective government agencies. You can stand with the men and women of the Central Intelligence Agency — an important force in the war against terror — by proudly wearing the CIA cap.”

First of all, the so-called War on Terror isn’t a war on terror at all, it’s a war on the Constitution and Bill of Rights; a war on the rights of the American people. The War on Terror is like the War on Drugs and the War on Poverty; in each case the targeted problem got worse instead of better: the War on Drugs brought more drugs into the United States; the War on Poverty increased poverty. In each case, however, federal bureaucracies were spawned that managed to gobble up more and more tax dollars, gain more and more power, while whining that more money would surely cure the problem. Just like more money won’t cure the woes of a failing federal education bureaucracy, more money will not cure any problem in which the government has taken a role. More money to the federal government simply means more bureaucracy, a concept understood by our Founding Fathers but lost on the American people today who continue to hold out hope that things will get better if they just give more money, when consistently the opposite has been proven the case. One would think that after a while the American people would catch on that paying more money into a black hole nets the American people nothing but more grief. While holding out hope, the American people seem addicted to the self-destructive concept that more money will cure ills.

Now we have the War on Terror which has already cost the American taxpayers an estimated $610.5 billon

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

The CIA is necessary---whether you personally like it or not. It's how we get the intelligence necessary to prevent attacks. There are many examples of that. You think we're vunerable now-----without the CIA, we would be even more so.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Then I'd say it's a collosal waste of money - it failed to prevent 9/11

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

JP the CIA created Been Laid In & So(*)(*)(*)(*) Insane, and are probably busy right now, creating tomorrows cast of terrorist threats as we speak!

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There are only two things wrong with this great nation of ours, democrats and republicans!

Not necessarily in that order.

No, I don't think we're vulnerable now - for reasons I explained here, which you could not refute. YOU'RE THE ONE who for some irrational reason thinks we're vulnerable.

No, we would be more secure without the CIA. The CIA does little more that create our enemies. They armed and trained Bin Laden and his thugs and then advised an alliance with Saddam Hussein, in which money and weapons were given to the tyrant, after making the observation that Saddam seemed like "a presentable young man."

The CIA report detailing the overthrow of the democratically elected leader in Iran in the 50's said the U.S. should "expect blowback" from the action. The British didn't like the fact that Iran was going to nationalize their oil and remove Britain's ability to profit from it. Anyone who supports the exploitation of other countries in this manner is unethical and immoral.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

The CIA has a long list of accomplishments as well. From the Cuban Missle Crisis to finding the suspects in the 1998 WTC bombings. Of course its predecessor agency played a huge role in WWII. Of course the CIA isn't perfect either. Instead we should look for better policies and decisions by those who oversee the agency.

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All you need to know about the energy crisis:
ANWR Exploration Republicans: 91% Supported. Democrats: 86% Opposed.
Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.

But you don't know of all the ones they've prevented.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Truth-Bringer wrote (View Post):


Now, why I say an invasion of the U.S. won't happen if we declare neutrality:

First, if we remove the cause of the fatwa against the U.S., the terrorists will have no reason to invade our territory if we're not in their territory and not interfering in their region. So there should be no reason for them to waste time attacking a neutral people. After all, they're not making a point to attack anyone in Switzerland, Sweden or New Zealand, now are they?

Secondly, even if they did try to invade and occupy us after we left, they would fail miserably. For one thing, they couldn't afford it. We're practically the richest country in the world, yet look what it's costing us to invade and occupy the tiny country of Iraq - and we're FAILING. And add to this that private Americans are far more heavily armed that Iraqis were. Our insurgency would be devastating to any invader. They can certainly try to attack me, but I'm well-trained in the use of firearms, so I doubt they'll get close enough to try.

And last but not least, no nation state wants a war with us. Why? The simple reason is that we have enough nuclear weapons to nuke every square inch of every country on earth. We are not helpless and we are not defenseless. No one could ever successfully invade and occupy the U.S. No other country's economy could stand the strain, let alone the bombardment that would follow.


JP5, are you going to address these issues?

YES: On your first point.......since when would it be a good idea to do whatever a terrorist like bin Laden demands that we do? Don't you realize that nothing we do would satisfy him anyway? Included in that fatwa of 1996 and again in 1998 was a complaint about our being on Saudi soil. Well----we were there at the behest of the Saudi gov't AND, I might ad, the world who were all totally behind what we did in 1991. George H.W. Bush had about 90% of the world behind him. In fact, they were begging us to act. I'm sorry...but bin Laden doesn't rule the world. He is nothing but a terrorist and murderer.

On your second point.....so you don't mind that possibly thousands more of our innocent citizens might die in the process, eh? We know what inaction got us before. It got us the 1993 WTC attack, the 1998 Embassy attacks, and the attack on the USS Cole. ALL of which killed thousands of innocent citizens who did nothing more than get up and go to work one day.

Besides---Americans demanded that George W. Bush and the country act strongly to protect them after 9/11. Most of us haven't forgotten that horrific day and realize we're still not totally safe and need to stay alert. And besides, bin Laden wouldn't plan an "invasion." He doesn't have the people or necessary military. As you said....it couldn't be done. What he does is sneaky, slimy, unexpected attacks on soft targets that are difficult to totally protect. And he would LOVE to plan a suitcase nuke or some other spectacular event in our country. And I want my gov't to do all it can to find out the plan BEFORE it happens this time.

What was the conclusion of the BiPartisan 9/11 Commission, TB? It was that we failed to "connect the dots." How does one connect dots? They must have a strong CIA with good information. Pres. Bush has worked to get the improvement in that area that we need. IMHO, there's still needed work at the CIA. For instance, I think the leakers should be prosecuted. They work at a "secret" organization and they sign on to the FACT that they will not make Classified info public. When they do, they are thwarting the entire idea of the CIA and harming our country. Take politics out of the CIA and the way to do it is through prosecutions.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

I can't believe you keep blaming the U.S. for terrorist problems. You do realize that radical Islam's only goals are to establish enforcement of the sharia law globally and destroy the Jews and Israel. Aren't we seeing a similarity here? Nazis wanted to enforce their laws of physical characteristics around the world and wanted to eliminate the Jews as well. The Islamic fascists love when their enemy country's own people make excuses for them, like you are doing. Iran has been linked to terrorists in Iraq and Ahmadinejad has repeatedly said that he wants to destroy Israel and most likely all the Jews. Numerous other middle eastern governments have stated the same thing. You don't think there is any agenda at work here?

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