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Old 12-06-2007, 06:18 PM
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People said the same thing about Christianity back in the Middle Ages. Islam has only existed since 700 AD; give it 700 more years, and if it hasn't changed into a religion of prosletyzing evangelicals who reject reality and still hold onto fantasy, bomb abortion clinics, penalize homosexuals if not outright have them killed, have terrorist groups like the KKK, then you can say Islam isn't going anywhere.

Then again, since when did religion's redeeming qualities overshadow its many milennia of murder, torture, war, and hate?
Using that logic, atheists have a long history of murder and killing as well and it's safe to say nothing they have done outweighs the good. See Pol Pot, Lenin, Stalin, etc. You could paint liberals with the same brush (eco terrorism, pro drug, anti-crime punishment, and a general lack of values). It would be ignorant, but I could do it just as you did. Christians have far outweighed the good versus the bad in modern society (Boy Scouts, Red Cross, YMCA, Catholic Charities, etc etc) are just a few organizations that have done far more good than any atheist based organization has done.
Atheism isn't organized. Religion, on the other hand, by definition, is.

Hm, liberals have no values... you sound like a typical conservative American.

Yeah, having a Christian youth organization like Boy Scouts which indoctrinates them in dogma and God-worshipping obviously outweighed centuries of murder, terror, and war imposed by Christian sects.
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Atheism isn't organized. Religion, on the other hand, by definition, is.
Yes it is...it was certainly organized under Pot and Stalin. There are also atheist groups in this country and elsewhere across the world. Would you like links? And religion is not organized by definition. Which is why the term "organized religion" is used, because there is a difference between religion (which means the belief in a higher power) and organized religion.

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Hm, liberals have no values... you sound like a typical conservative American.
I said I don't believe that when I said it. And instead I used it in a way to demonstrate the ignorance displayed by many extremist liberals who incorrectly believe the same thing about religion. And have made similar blanket statements.

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Yeah, having a Christian youth organization like Boy Scouts which indoctrinates them in dogma and God-worshipping obviously outweighed centuries of murder, terror, and war imposed by Christian sects.
Actuallly it does...because this is modern day. Not what happened thousands of years ago which is really all you have to cling on to. Modern day Boy Scouts, YMCA and other Christian organizations and charities have done far more good than bad. You could collectively total all the good done by atheist organizations across the globe and it would be a mere fraction of what Mother Theresas alone accomplished in her life. Boy Scouts help kids become good people who believe in God. Again more than any atheist organization has done.
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