Thread: Gays are better for the environment/planet than straights

Originally Posted by Lil Mike

I'll try to put this as delicately as I can, but that's a dumb thesis. No children means no future workers which mean no social security and medicare.

I DIDN'T SAY NO CHILDREN! ALSO, NOT EVERYONE IS GAY!
We just don't need religious people to go outside good environmental practice and "leave it up to god" to determine how many kids they have.....let modern scientific birth control methods help out. The Pope is against that. He's not as good for the planet as Secular Humanism is.

Originally Posted by FreedomSeeker

Good point about 2.1.

Third-world countries are where, due to religion often, people are not following Secular Humanist ideas, by not using birth control.

I disagree for a couple of reasons. First, they don't have access or education. Second, having children in a third world country is like having retirement benefits. You hope that some of your children will live to adulthood and that at least one of them can support you in your old age, if you make it that far.

I've heard some say "Allah needs more soldiers for the Jihad/intifada", in regards to the Muslim/Jewish holy war.

Wasn't the intifada a secular movement? I think you are confusing Jihad with the the intifada movements.

Joseph Smith, certainly a Mormon role model, wasn't a very good role model in this regard. It's selfish.

He was a con artist.

That one reality show Christian family has, what, TWENTY kids, and is gunning for more. Religions tend to teach quite selfish behavior, at times.

Just because one religious woman treats her (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) like a clown car, doesn't mean they all do. You are being intentionally dishonest by projecting an abberation onto the norm.

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

I'll help you. If you complete the book you'll find that Christians are not allowed to kill gay people.

Tell us, if it was up to you, would you send Elton John and Ellen D. to a fiery torturous end (your "hell"), or allow them to go to heaven (even though your book says they won't)? Please just make this moral decision, and don't say "I leave it up to god"...that's intellectual cowardice (not saying you will say that, but.....)...I'm asking YOU.

Originally Posted by FreedomSeeker

Tell us, if it was up to you, would you send Elton John and Ellen D. to a fiery torturous end (your "hell"), or allow them to go to heaven (even though your book says they won't)? Please just make this moral decision, and don't say "I leave it up to god"...that's intellectual cowardice (not saying you will say that, but.....)...I'm asking YOU.

You don't get to control the narrative. You're telling me to stand before my God and make judgment. I just will not do that. While on Earth, Christians are not ordered to kill gays. That is all you need to know.

Originally Posted by FreedomSeeker

I DIDN'T SAY NO CHILDREN! ALSO, NOT EVERYONE IS GAY!
We just don't need religious people to go outside good environmental practice and "leave it up to god" to determine how many kids they have.....let modern scientific birth control methods help out. The Pope is against that. He's not as good for the planet as Secular Humanism is.

You said that gays benefit the environment because they're not having children. If that is the benefit to Gaia than no children was your point.


And what's with this religious fetish of yours? At least in the US, that has no impact on the US population rate.

Originally Posted by A Common Anomaly

I disagree for a couple of reasons. First, they don't have access or education. Second, having children in a third world country is like having retirement benefits. You hope that some of your children will live to adulthood and that at least one of them can support you in your old age, if you make it that far.



Wasn't the intifada a secular movement? I think you are confusing Jihad with the the intifada movements.



He was a con artist.



Just because one religious woman treats her (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) like a clown car, doesn't mean they all do. You are being intentionally dishonest by projecting an abberation onto the norm.

You do know the Bible implies that lots of kids is good, don't you? The Bible is part of the problem. How about if RiseAgainst agrees to remove that from his/her Bible, that would help.


Yes, do you see how easy it is for 14 million people to fall for a con artist...it's called religion.



The intifada: it's almost impossible to separate Mohammad's stated hatred of the Jew from the actions of Muslims. Mohammad called for genocide against the Jews, which alot of people don't know!
The Prophet said: "The Hour will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them." The Muslims will kill the Jews. Rejoice! Rejoice in Allah's victory! The Muslims will kill the Jew, and he will hide....
The Prophet said: "The Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: O servant of Allah, O Muslim, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
Why is there this malice? Because there are none who love the Jews on the face of the earth: not man; not rock; and not tree - everything hates them. They destroy everything; they destroy the trees and destroy the houses. Everything wants vengeance on the Jews, on these pigs on the face of the earth, and the day of our victory, Allah willing, will come.44

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-marcus-crook-f05.htm


Patriot911, do you condemn Hitler and Mohammad and Jesus for wanting genocide for the Jews (either on this earth, or in the supposed "after life")? Or do you down play genocide, like a lot of religious people do?

Originally Posted by Lil Mike

You said that gays benefit the environment because they're not having children. If that is the benefit to Gaia than no children was your point.


And what's with this religious fetish of yours? At least in the US, that has no impact on the US population rate.

Sorry, I wasn't clear (sorry if I'm communicating a poorly as Jesus/God do): I didn't say that NO ONE would have children, because the 96% of heterosexuals will indeed have kids, by and large. Just that gays tend to reduce the population explosion, on average, which is good.

But many religions teach to kill gays, when gays are actually helping the planet a bit (and uh, don't deserve to die ANYWAY.) Religion, like regarding slavery, many times gets it 180 degrees wrong....so it's obviously not from god.

Of course it has an impact on the US population rate! Mormons don't use birth control as much as they would if their cared about our planet, same for many Muslims, same for many Catholics, etc.

Originally Posted by FreedomSeeker

You do know the Bible implies that lots of kids is good, don't you? The Bible is part of the problem. How about if RiseAgainst agrees to remove that from his/her Bible, that would help.

I agree with Asimov, When properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.

Yes, do you see how easy it is for 14 million people to fall for a con artist...it's called religion.

And? More people are conned out of false hope and change by politicians. At least with religion, it does not affect me, unless the religionists are pushing their religion through politics.

The intifada: it's almost impossible to separate Mohammad's stated hatred of the Jew from the actions of Muslims. Mohammad called for genocide against the Jews, which alot of people don't know!
The Prophet said: "The Hour will not take place until the Muslims fight the Jews, and the Muslims kill them." The Muslims will kill the Jews. Rejoice! Rejoice in Allah's victory! The Muslims will kill the Jew, and he will hide....
The Prophet said: "The Jews will hide behind the rock and tree, and the rock and tree will say: O servant of Allah, O Muslim, this is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!"
Why is there this malice? Because there are none who love the Jews on the face of the earth: not man; not rock; and not tree - everything hates them. They destroy everything; they destroy the trees and destroy the houses. Everything wants vengeance on the Jews, on these pigs on the face of the earth, and the day of our victory, Allah willing, will come.44

Again, I do believe that the First and Second Infitada movement were primarily secular movements to "shake off" Israel's domination over the Palestinian people.

You are simply conflating and distorting. In fact, this entire thread is about you conflating and distorting. It is rather amusing.

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

You don't get to control the narrative. You're telling me to stand before my God and make judgment. I just will not do that. While on Earth, Christians are not ordered to kill gays. That is all you need to know.

YOU JUST APPROVED OF GENOCIDE OF ABOUT 300 MILLION PEOPLE (GAYS), BASICALLY!! (During life or after life, it's still wrong. Dead wrong.)

Then no, your god is not very moral. In fact far from it. ANIMALS don't even, to my knowledge, kill other animals just for being gay (in this life or the afterlife, just say). Your Jesus could learn a lesson from animals.

There is a more moral belief system for you to turn to, however.

Originally Posted by A Common Anomaly

Again, I do believe that the First and Second Infitada movement were primarily secular movements to "shake off" Israel's domination over the Palestinian people.

You are simply conflating and distorting. In fact, this entire thread is about you conflating and distorting. It is rather amusing.

Will you deny that Mohammad was genocidal towards the Jews, or do you think Mohammad did not say that passage that I quoted?

They want the Jews dead, come on, don't you see that?