Thread: Is America on the Verge of Theocracy? - Alternet Opinion Piece

Originally Posted by Unifier

LOL! More secular drama-queenism. You guys are so anti-God, anti-religion, anti-church, and most of all anti-Christianity that you are on a crusade to twist every shred of non-secularism (that does not belong to a protected victim class like Muslims) into some kind of grand theocratic conspiracy.

You guys are nuts. Please move to another country that was not founded on Judeo-Christian values if you are that Christophobic. There are plenty of places in Europe that would be happy to have you.

I love how not a single conservative responded to my point that Planned Parenthood's abortion revenues makes up barely 15% of their total revenue.

Guess facts are bad for those kinds of beliefs, huh?

Originally Posted by Anansi the Spider

And who will decide which thought crimes mean the child should be taken from the parent?!

Society. As a whole.

You mean the fairy tales of the atheocrats?

Is that what y'all call the Bible nowadays?

Take a close look at the propaganda attendant to Harvey Milk Day. Here are some facts which are covered up: the gay lifestyle is extremely dangerous.

How? And please provide unbiased, peer-reviewed evidence.

Celebrating this lifestyle means shortening the lives of not a few confused men.

Insofar as they kill themselves because of the torment they face by people who simply perceive them as gay...

Harvey Milk had sex with a child.

The average age of consent in the US is 16. That said, in California the age of consent was 18 and the law was rather strict. The issue here is national legal perception. Since the average age of consent in the US is 16, Harvey's relationship with the 16-year-old was likely ignored.

Milk was closely allied to Jim Jones.

But do you know what he said to his volunteers about Jim Jones's Peoples Temple?

"Make sure you're always nice to the Peoples Temple. If they ask you to do something, do it, and then send them a note thanking them for asking you to do it. They're weird and they're dangerous, and you never want to be on their bad side." (Source... Page 139)

Because he stands up for religious freedom despite the non-stop attacks from the corporate media? Why this childish name-calling attacking someone who stands up for religious liberty?

Religious liberty? Are you telling me that "religious liberty" means you have the right to bully homosexuals into committing suicide? Does it mean you have the right to blame rape victims? Does it mean you have the right to tell atheists that we're committing treason because we're atheists? Does that mean you get tell public school science classrooms that they have to teach Creationism (which, BTW, is a violation of the separation of Church and State, an ideal ratified unanimously by the federal government in the Treaty of Tripoli)? Does it mean praying over a child dying from cancer in place of the actual treatment given by doctors, even if it means the child dies in the process?

Because if that's what you mean by "religious liberty", then you don't deserve Religious liberty.

Evidence? You know PP is the nation's largest abortion mill.

I provided evidence here.

What?! Killing an unborn baby is hardly a necessary service.

Actually no.

quote: A series of new undercover phone calls reveals that contrary to the claims of Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards and other supporters of the nation’s largest abortion chain, the organization does not provide mammograms for women.

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Apologies. I worded that incorrectly. It is true, they do not provide mammograms and other such screenings directly. But they do refer patients to clinics, and pay for the services, so the person who needs it doesn't have to:

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Atheists often seem to like to replace God with their own ego, this doesn't make them any less atheist.

I really don't understand the point of this statement.

More than just a couple! Looks like you to want to cover up the mistreatment of women by the abortion industry.

And mistreatment is best taken care of by making it illegal? That would just make it worse, since making abortion illegal would not actually stop abortions.

Has marijuana prohibition stopped marijuana use? Has prostitution prohibition stopped prostitution? Did alcohol prohibition stop alcohol use?

No. Prohibition makes things worse, not better.

I guess all sources that disagree with you can't be trusted.

I guess you feel the same way.

Of course it would and many unborn babies would be saved.

You really are naive, aren't you? When has prohibition ever worked?

As we've seen the abortion industry is only too happy to chew women up for profit.

I want evidence that it's the entire industry. I want to see proof that this is an industry-wide conspiracy to hurt and kill women. I don't want isolated incidents. I don't want anecdotes. I want numbers. I want statistics. And I want the evidence for those statistics.

This will surprise you: Studies Show Abstinence Education Works: Heritage Foundation Report

This will surprise you:
Abstinence-Only a Failure, Research Shows

Oh... and it's two years more recent.

If true could be due to about a hundred other variables.

Right. Because like God, abstinence-only education just can't lose... not when you've invested everything into it...

Originally Posted by Anansi the Spider

This will surprise some people: Studies: Birth Control, Contraception Don’t Cut Abortions

It does not surprise me that advocating abstinence and simply doing nothing, does what you suggest more effectively than proper use of adequate birth control measures.

Originally Posted by NateHevens

I love how not a single conservative responded to my point that Planned Parenthood's abortion revenues makes up barely 15% of their total revenue.

Guess facts are bad for those kinds of beliefs, huh?

Some facts that are bad for your beliefs: 38.4% of Planned Parenthood’s 2009 “Health Center Income” is from Abortion

How? And please provide unbiased, peer-reviewed evidence.

Sure. Here's some numbers from the CDC: post #46

Insofar as they kill themselves because of the torment they face by people who simply perceive them as gay...

The suicide rate for homosexual men is high even in the most gay-friendly societies.

Gay Men Differ From Heterosexuals In Suicidality: Netherlands Study

quote: This study suggests that even in a country with a comparatively tolerant climate regarding homosexuality, homosexual men were at much higher risk for suicidality than heterosexual men.

But do you know what he said to his volunteers about Jim Jones's Peoples Temple?

"Make sure you're always nice to the Peoples Temple.

Not very inspiring.

Religious liberty? Are you telling me that "religious liberty" means you have the right to bully homosexuals into committing suicide?

I am as opposed to bullying as anyone.

Does that mean you get tell public school science classrooms that they have to teach Creationism

Always these hysterics over Creationism! Such nonsense! First of all most Christian churches accept evolution. Second, has any public school district in the U.S. forbidden the teaching of evolution? (I'm guessing you'll duck the question.)

Does it mean praying over a child dying from cancer

I'm sure you'll agree that noted anti-science celebutard (and atheist) Bill Maher is far more dangerous: Bill Maher gets the Richard Dawkins Award? That's like Jenny McCarthy getting an award for public health

His anti-vaccine idiocy endangers many children's lives.

I provided evidence

You claimed: "Planned Parenthood, whose abortion services take up 3% of all their services," I asked for evidence which you failed to supply. Please admit your error.

Apologies. I worded that incorrectly. It is true, they do not provide mammograms and other such screenings directly.

I appreciate your honesty.

And mistreatment is best taken care of by making it illegal? That would just make it worse,

By this logic we should make everything legal: rape, cocaine abuse, etc.

Has prostitution prohibition stopped prostitution?

Prohibition certainly limits the harm: German's legalized prostitution brought more exploitation than emancipation to women

You really are naive, aren't you?

What's naive is trusting the abortion industry to put profit over women and children's lives.

I want evidence that it's the entire industry. I want to see proof that this is an industry-wide conspiracy to hurt and kill women.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Looks like no amount of evidence will sway you. You seem to think the abortion industry is staffed entirely by angels who are indifferent to anything as sordid as money.

quote: Moreover, within the past 18 months, state officials in at least 14 states launched investigations into the abortion industry, resulting in criminal charges against a number of abortion providers, the closing of clinics, fines and other punitive action.

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Astonishing that anyone wants to force gay activist propaganda on young children.

Should Harvey Milk be reverenced by our children? He was a big fan of Jim Jones.

The alter net article is farther to the left than I believe but yes America is in danger of becoming a theocracy. But telling religious fundamentalists that they have no right to enforce their beliefs on everyone doesn't work. Logic is not something most of these people posess. After all they do things like burn Harry potter books and condemn secular music for having "subliminal messages" telling kids to smoke pot.