I mean REAL CONSERVATIVES, noit liberal shills (Crestwood) or fake conservatives (Nonsensitur) or "fiscal conservatives" or any other half-baked pseudo-conservatives.

NOW, as i said before, it looks like a dem will take the whitehouse. Which of the front runners would be the least undesirable? I would take Obama, Hillary second, and last and worst (phewwwww!) Edwards.

What's your opinion, conservatives?

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

I have no idea whether you'd consider me a "real" conservative. I'm a real Goldwater conservative (which IMHO is pretty hard to distinguish from a neolibertarian), and it doesn't seem like there's too many of us around anymore.

FWIW, I would rank the top Democratic contenders the same as you: Obama least worst, Hillary second, Edwards last. I even like Obama. If only he weren't so liberal.

That's how I identify too, as basically a "Goldwater conservative".

That guy Goldwater, he was really misunderstood.

As you say, he was kind of a libertarian-leaning dude, but he had strong social
values as well, he was big into conservation and all that -

But he got raked over the coals in the election, they painted him as a nutty hawk
and an extremist.... I mean, that word "nutty" there, that's kinda the same
treatment Ron Paul's gettin' right now, yes?

And maybe even, "for the same reason", yes? 'Cause people don't really
"understand" where this guy's coming from, yes?

But I mean, if you're a "Goldwater conservative", you probably kinda like Ron, yes?

Good stuff. Nice to meet ya!

Obama would definitely be the best option there, in my opinion.

He seems like a good man.

I'd really like to know what his plans are, for putting his cabinet together.

I'm a Fascist so I would take EDWARDS first, then the others, then Hillary, AND THEN Obama.

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"Duty is the most sublime word in our language. You cannot do more. You should never wish to do less." - Robert E. Lee

I dunno, maybe Biden - Richardson - Obama. I think that's all of them.

There's no such thing as flavors of conservatism. That someone gives a modifier to the word "conservative" is a sure tip off that they actual favor some kind of departure.

Here are the things in which conservatives believe:

Patriotism - an American conservative supports the success and defense of the US, and opposes the enemies of the US.

Meritocracy - the belief that a person's public rewards should be based on his achievements.

Charity - there is a moral duty to help people in need or distress through no fault of their own.

Small government - a government's fundamental duty is to protect the lives and property of it's citizens. Government's role beyond that should be limited.

Low taxes - the lower the better.

Less government intrusion - government should strive to keep out of the lives of it's citizens beyond the actions necessary to protect lives and property.

Rule of law - law in the US is that layed down by the constitution and the legislatures - it should never issue from the judiciary or any other unelected official.

Marriage and family - conservatives support these institutions as the fundamental strength of society.

Pro-democracy - conservatives support democracy and oppose dictatorships.

Free market - conservatives trust the market, not ignorant arrogant bureaucrats, to resolve almost all economic issues.

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Blade: "more educated and literate people than Justabubba"

Justabubba: "that would include everyone"

http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

So now, Blade is not only gonna "define" what kinda "conservative" you oughta be, but he's also gonna spin reality around it!

Ha ha - nice try, Blade.

Wanna look at this, a little?

Today's conservatives, seem to be "imagining" enemies, you know, monsters under the bed and stuff......

Yeah - except in reality, you look around in the Republican Party, and all those clowns "believe" they got some kinda advantage 'cause of their family name. Funny thing, that.....

Liberals have that value too.

Well, I guess Bushie kinda blew it on that one, eh?

That's cool, as long as we don't make our kids pay for stuff just 'cause we're too (*)(*)(*)(*) spend-happy ourselves. Right?

Wiretapping? Nah.... that still sounds like a flimsy excuse to me......

Well, Bushie's deal, seems to be the selective enforcement of the law.

He's gonna ignore certain crimes, and "amplify" others.

We've already been all over that one, right? Both divorce rates, and out-of-wedlock births, are higher in Red states.

Oh, horse-pucky. "Contradicted by facts in evidence".

Oh, you mean, like NAFTA and CAFTA and stuff like that?

Hmm.... I dunno Blade, try to do a little better in the New Year, 'kay?

I was unaware that Blade was instilled with the unique power of determining who is and is not a "Conservative".

Congrats.

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I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.

That's the whole hilarious thing about it - it's "not" unique, that power.

It's like, everyone and their brother seems to think they have it.

"Masters of the Universe", that's what we are....

But yeah, you know, that's kinda why I went out and studied "belief" systems.

And what I'm finding is, that the "oroblem" this way, is largely in the space of
those who don't have a "model" for belief systems. 'Cause what happens is,
the only ones who "generate" that crap, are the ones who don't know, and
the only ones who "swallow" it, are the ones who don't know. Right?

So, like, I'm kinda thinkin that if everyone "knew", none of this stuff would
be happening. But I mean, that may be a somewhat "utopian" perspective,
right?