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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxpayer View Post

    Enslave, steal from, or murder a guy cause can do something you can't. ... and he won't suffer in any way if you do?
    No, he won't suffer at all, just accept being "only" 100,000 times richer than everybody else, instead of a gazillion times richer. And if 100,000 times more isn't worth your while, then don't do it. In the end it will be better for him, he'll be in a better world and still way, Way, WAY ahead of everybody.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud View Post
    Not in the corporate world it isn't. It's "just business". The whole fish/net/seed thing once again. Rape and profit are interchangeable words. Corporations are legally a "person". Greed is a tool and rape is just an acceptable business expense.


    You're exaggerating again... and you really don't seem to understand what most of those words mean.
    Henry George's theories were based on land ownership and how far a business was from a public resource like a mill or waterway. The man lived and died a decade before the model T was produced much less modern transportation and communication. Not only did Henry George never hear of the Internet, he barely lived long enough to see the electric light. Applying the theories of Henry George to modern nations is about as risky as letting the most brilliant caveman design your next airport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxpayer View Post

    You're exaggerating again... and you really don't seem to understand what most of those words mean.
    Which words Sir? The part where a corporation is a legally defined person? Or that greed, rape and acceptable are all corporate terms?
    EVERYBODY call in sick tomorrow, then watch real change begin. Hit the corporate fat cats directly in the pocketbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxpayer View Post


    Can't compete with him, can't equal him, and have nothing to offer him... so hate him, rob him, and kill him.
    Why not? What am I getting out of "him" getting his and being 100% free to do as he pleases? He takes EVERYTHING, sends the jobs elsewhere, cuts the govt. services, eliminates the teachers, cuts the school funding, eliminates police, cuts my job, cuts your job (AND I WORK HARD TOO!) etc. etc. etc. and so forth, all to save himself for paying taxes, and there's just a few of "him" and billions of "us"...so why should we agree to put up with that CRAP and live crappier lives than before just for "him"? So he's "smarter" and we can't compete with him and he is taking averything, so why not say F-HIM, there's a billion of US and we are dumb, but we want to live too, and we're not even asking to live like "him", so pisss on "him".

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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingSacred View Post
    Why not? What am I getting out of "him" getting his and being 100% free to do as he pleases? He takes EVERYTHING, sends the jobs elsewhere, cuts the govt. services, eliminates the teachers, cuts the school funding, eliminates police, cuts my job, cuts your job (AND I WORK HARD TOO!) etc. etc. etc. and so forth, all to save himself for paying taxes, and there's just a few of "him" and billions of "us"...so why should we agree to put up with that CRAP and live crappier lives than before just for "him"? So he's "smarter" and we can't compete with him and he is taking averything, so why not say F-HIM, there's a billion of US and we are dumb, but we want to live too, and we're not even asking to live like "him", so pisss on "him".


    He's not taking anything you aren't choosing to give him, he's not breaking any of the rules you didn't both agree to. You are.
    Henry George's theories were based on land ownership and how far a business was from a public resource like a mill or waterway. The man lived and died a decade before the model T was produced much less modern transportation and communication. Not only did Henry George never hear of the Internet, he barely lived long enough to see the electric light. Applying the theories of Henry George to modern nations is about as risky as letting the most brilliant caveman design your next airport.

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    Ok here's my problem with the "rich doesn't deserve it" argument.


    If you're willing to take their money away as "they don't deserve it" then you can do it to anybody. Who really and honestly deserves their wealth? Where are you going to draw your line? When everyone has exactly the same? Or how bout go one step further, I mean people don't have genetic unity, how bout we give more money to cripples and people of lesser intelligence, because obviously they deserve a boost, and less money to the athletic and intelligent because they already have so much. Then we decide on a life limit, just because people don't deserve to live longer than everyone else. Just to make sure "it's fair".


    You're never going to get "fair" so how bout we stick with "just". You keep your hands off what is mine and I'll keep my hands off what is yours. Sound ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninth View Post
    Ok here's my problem with the "rich doesn't deserve it" argument.

    If you're willing to take their money away as "they don't deserve it" then you can do it to anybody. Who really and honestly deserves their wealth? Where are you going to draw your line? When everyone has exactly the same? Or how bout go one step further, I mean people don't have genetic unity, how bout we give more money to cripples and people of lesser intelligence, because obviously they deserve a boost, and less money to the athletic and intelligent because they already have so much. Then we decide on a life limit, just because people don't deserve to live longer than everyone else. Just to make sure "it's fair".

    You're never going to get "fair" so how bout we stick with "just". You keep your hands off what is mine and I'll keep my hands off what is yours. Sound ok?
    There's no real distinction between "just" and "fair". You're just making up your own particular concept of what is "just", which is ironic when you already stated that no one has a moral claim over wealth.

    Where you "draw the line" is progressive taxation.

    And there is nothing wrong with having government subsidised health insurance and or disability insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust View Post
    There's no real distinction between "just" and "fair". You're just making up your own particular concept of what is "just", which is ironic when you already stated that no one has a moral claim over wealth.

    Where you "draw the line" is progressive taxation.

    And there is nothing wrong with having government subsidised health insurance and or disability insurance.


    The republican failed theory of just "take care of the rich and it'll eventually trickle down to you" is the new Romney plan, except in his plan, they'll just take everything.
    EVERYBODY call in sick tomorrow, then watch real change begin. Hit the corporate fat cats directly in the pocketbook.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxpayer View Post

    I hate this argument. Mostly because I end up arguing on the same side as the liberals and socialists. Let me start by saying I totally understand your frustration.

    That said, we do have a choice. We did join this country voluntarily. Yes, you may have been a child when you became a U.S. citizen, but if so your legal guardians (acting on your behalf) voluntarily chose to accept citizenship. Furthermore, we're all free to quit it whenever we like. There's a cost sure, but it's not unlike the cost associated with exiting any contract or partnership. If you quit the church, you'll likely be asked to leave Church property. If you quit your legal firm, you don't get to keep the office. Similarly, if you quit this country you may find yourself needing to leave it and there may be other exit conditions to the contract. It can be a hard choice. It's still a choice.
    You're missing the point. This is about the moral and legal justification for limiting free choice using Government. Saying "I have a choice" because I can move out of the country isn't a legitimate counter-argument, because there isn't a place to move without Government can be co-opted in the same manner.

    For that reason, it isn't analogous to claim that fleeing a country because its Government is oppressive is "the same kind of choice" as leaving an employer due to oppressiveness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taxpayer View Post

    He's not taking anything you aren't choosing to give him, he's not breaking any of the rules you didn't both agree to. You are.
    No, I am not breaking a single rule, it is within the rules to elect a government that will tax "him" MORE to finance a decent society for all of US.

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