Political Forum
     

Go Back   Political Forum > General Political Chat > Political Opinions & Beliefs


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-09-2008, 09:59 PM
DrunkHippo DrunkHippo is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5
DrunkHippo is on a distinguished road
Credits: 142
Post My thoughts on... Everything.

Hey,

This is my first post on this forum. I am interested to see what people think about my opinion of some certain topics. So please tell me what you think.
Sorry for the length, it is kind of like sleep walking, I am sleep typing. Who knows when it will end? Please at least read one of my opinions and comment on that one, maybe not the whole thing, but maybe the one you feel strongest about.

1.) Presidents Campaigning should NOT always point out what the current president has done or is doing and how they will do it better.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
My reason for this is because I have heard several different campaigners (if that's what you call them...) talking about George W. Bushes mistakes for going into the war in Iraq and how they will do it better. What I think they should be focusing on is putting out what they will do and accomplish during there presidency without pointing out another persons mistakes.

2.) This is specifically pointed out to Hilary. I have no idea how she even has votes. I understand what I learn from my parents may just be opinion. Although my father is a very fair person and will not look down upon them if they make little mistakes. Anyways I have learned from them that within Hilary's life she simply plays dirty politics and is a down right bad person in general.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Heres is an example. The email Judy Rose put out who was in Hilary's 250 Iowa Woman. Which talked about Barack Obama and all sorts of things about him and his life. Turns out some of it was real and some was not. I would say Hilary should not be able to run for that action, but it was not done by her so technically she is not guilty. But, Judy Rose the sender of the email was guilty and was fired.

http://pushingrope.blogspot.com/2007...on-barack.html

3.) Illegal Immigrants. I understand America is a country of the free and the home of the brave, but Illegals Immigrants do not belong to our country. Which comes to my main point, WHY do they get free stuff... Or even why do none working lazy people get free health care.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
I have always thought my entire life that people should earn their life/wealth/family/etc. Here's a good example of something that happened to me in the past year.
Ok, over the past 5 years I have had many many health problems. My family has easily spent over $150,000 on health expenses alone. We are not incredibly rich anymore, part of that could be of my ridiculous health expenses. But, would these expenses really cost as much if people were not receiving the same thing as me for free? My parents worked hard for everything they have and have accumulated financial wise while some Illegal Immigrants or legal welfare bound lazy people get health care for free.

To my next point, I have a doctor at a major hospitable close by me whom I had a doctor appointment with. So I went to the doctors and make my way to the waiting room. At least 4 Mexican people speaking in Spanish amongst themselves. They were not together so I had to wait behind all 4 people which one could easily tell these people were there for free.

Heres my favorite part of my story. I also was sent to get blood work right down the hall from my doctor. I got in with the blood drawer and my mother was also in the room so she could continue talking with me. The Blood Drawer I will say was African-American, and in South Carolina from what I have seen the majority of African-American people are very different from northern African-Americans. So I was shocked to hear her say all of this.

She first commented how many "free care" people came in and need all sorts of stuff and they get it all for free. She was ticked. As my mom and I were agreeing, she also told us about her situation. She said she was a hard working lady who had heart problems which caused her bills to be outrageous. She needed to see if she could be covered by the insurance company, and they declined her since she has heart conditions. That being ridiculous along, she told us how her father also had many medical problems and she had to take care of him. She was broke. She said that she was the one who needed help, but instead the help is given to people who are either here illegally or are on welfare and do not even try to hold a job.

Well, I'll end this story. I Was shocked to hear this amazing intelligent African-American agree that some democratic things are absurd, like the health care stuff.
(I apologize for the length. I am tired causing me to run on and on.)



4.)Voting. I do understand that every US citizen over the age of 18 can vote. But the said thing is a lot of people do not know anything about who they are going to vote for. My sister has decided to vote for Ron Paul, cause lots of hers friends are doing it. My sister really has no idea who he is. I also really doubt her friends know either. So how long do these kind of chains go? Just because one person does something you are going to do it too?

The Presidential Election is very important and symbolic towards the United States of America. Yet many people just think it is cool that they can vote now that their 18, but they do not know anything about the candidates. Even some older people than 20 probley cannot name 3 people running for President.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Although the right to vote is significant, I still believe everyone must take a maybe 5 question test that is really easy, and if they do not get 4/5 or better their vote should not count.
The downfall to my idea is that, what if America was 80% filled with complete idiots and they were all voting for a complete idiot. Should their votes not count since they could not answer that 5 question test, no. If America is 80% of idiots than we should have an idiot represent us.

My rough estimate is that 20% of voters do not know much about who they are voting for, which is why I the America should focus more on teaching about politics instead of what I learned in the past. In 6-9 grade I learn the exact same thing over and over, the middle east. It did not even change. Why not teach what matters far more, about the country we live in. Most kids don't no much about our country, shouldn't we educate them about it?



5.) My LAST opinion, is that People should not disrespect the President of the United States. If Hilary becomes president I will not disrespect her even though I do not agree with a lot of what she says and I do not like the person she is. But I will still respect her and my country as I would with my favorite President.
I just hate to hear such disrespect towards our President, in my view disrespecting the President is also disrespecting the country.
Also meaning I do not like how people are anti-American. Then Whoops-see-do you then read that they live in America. If someone hates America so much then why live in America. I just think that is just plain nuts.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-


Whoever read this whole thing you have my appreciation. Whether you comment about it or disagree with me, at least I can get to hear your side of my opinion. Who knows I might have change your mind about something, doesn't that mean you could change my mind about something too? You sure bet.

Have a Good day,
-DrunkHippo
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Red Cross - Donate Today    Save the Rainforest
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-09-2008, 10:14 PM
The12thMan's Avatar
The12thMan The12thMan is offline
Site Moderator
Guru
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 13,287
usa us texas
The12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond reputeThe12thMan has a reputation beyond repute
Credits: 139,438
Default

Nice post, Hippo. You should get involved with some of those topics in active threads. I'm glad to see you thinking and caring about politics. I hope you stick around our site and post more.

On the voting thing, though I agree with your logic, it's just not feasible to have some kind of test for voting eligibility. I'd just be happy if we required ballots to be in English.
__________________
Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-09-2008, 10:32 PM
97240sx's Avatar
97240sx 97240sx is offline
Sr. Correspondent
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Honolulu
Age: 27
Posts: 462
97240sx has a spectacular aura about97240sx has a spectacular aura about97240sx has a spectacular aura about
Credits: 3,523
Default

On point 4, voting, it is absolutely devastating to our nation to have people not understanding what they are voting for. Voting is both a right AND a responsibility, many people forget the responsibility part.

I don't think it would be feasible to give everyone a test before allowing them to vote. That would create more bureaucracy and cost a lot of tax dollars to implement. Although I think your intention has merit.

Illegals shouldn't get free stuff, that is a given.

On point 5, respect for the office. Well, respect is different from questioning. As an extreme example: a police officer is expected to show respect for criminals. So yes, the president deserves respect. I try to focus on facts, not emotion. I can say, respectfully, that the president screwed up the country and deserves to be prosecuted for x, y, and z. History has shown that if we don't question authority, they tend to get out of control and run wild.
__________________
"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field. I will meet you there."
~ Jelaluddin Rumi, 1207-1273
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-10-2008, 01:39 PM
DrunkHippo DrunkHippo is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5
DrunkHippo is on a distinguished road
Credits: 142
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 97240sx View Post
On point 4, voting, it is absolutely devastating to our nation to have people not understanding what they are voting for. Voting is both a right AND a responsibility, many people forget the responsibility part.

I don't think it would be feasible to give everyone a test before allowing them to vote. That would create more bureaucracy and cost a lot of tax dollars to implement. Although I think your intention has merit.

Illegals shouldn't get free stuff, that is a given.

On point 5, respect for the office. Well, respect is different from questioning. As an extreme example: a police officer is expected to show respect for criminals. So yes, the president deserves respect. I try to focus on facts, not emotion. I can say, respectfully, that the president screwed up the country and deserves to be prosecuted for x, y, and z. History has shown that if we don't question authority, they tend to get out of control and run wild.
I completely agree with everything you just said. Many things I do not like, cannot and will not be changed due to other problems. My whole test idea was just to show how I feel about people voting without understand since that will never be an option.
"History has shown that if we don't question authority, they tend to get out of control and run wild"
That's a great statement, and is 100% True. My main point on my opinion #5 may have been off topic or jumping around due to lack of sleep
What I was trying to get at in opinion #5 was how many people say Bush is the worst president ever and then if you say why, they say the thing they hear the most. The War in Iraq. I find that many people love to say how bad of a president he is, but your comment about how bad he is as President is not helping America is not creating any question in authority.
Although, when people do question the things he does or why he does them, that I agree is important to making our government stronger and more knowledgeable.

Another Opinion.
6.) Everyone should be respectful during the Pledge of Allegiance.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most people do not deal with this, but since I am still in high school I do. During the Pledge of Allegiance there are many people that "ugh.." when it comes on and have to stand up. There are also many people who talk during the pledge. I just find it incredibly disrespectful towards America.

7.) People should speak English in public.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is very difficult for anyone to control, or even agree with. I am just annoyed how people come to America and do not speak English.

Heres a little story of what happened to me. When I moved to South Carolina from Maryland I am not there to often. During Christmas and summer my family tries to go up to Maryland and visit family. I went to the groceries store, out walked 2 men of a middle eastern descent speaking Arabic or something. I continued walking into the store, once I got in there were many Chinese people speaking in Chinese. I felt like I was the guest in the place I was born. Maryland in certain areas has many foreigners due to many business and industries.
A multicultural people is great to have, I mean it opens people up to many new things from other cultures. It was just very uncomfortable walking into a store where I could no longer understand what was going on around me. Some people may say "well think about when someone comes to America without knowing the English language, think about how they feel." Well, what I say back is, "Well they came here without learning our language and they have put themselves in the uncomfortable situation it is their problem."

Obviously nothing with ever be done about this considering it is almost impossible to control. I just do not like feeling like a guest in the place I spent my first 12 years of my life in. With all of this being said, I decided if I go somewhere outside the USA I should speak their language before going there. Learning languages is tough, but wouldn't it be nice if everyone spoke the same language so no one felt like an outsider?

ha ha, my opinions just spill out of my mind when it comes to things that really affect me

-DrunkHippo
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-10-2008, 04:15 PM
Fear-And-Loathing's Avatar
Fear-And-Loathing Fear-And-Loathing is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: London Massive!!
Age: 19
Posts: 1,514
usa uk city of london
Fear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to behold
Credits: 9,026
Default Hi there.....

Just out of curiosity, who are you voting for?

Some interesting opinions, but are you for Universal health care or what?
__________________
I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too
You may bury my body, down by the highway side,
so my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-10-2008, 07:33 PM
Schizowallflower's Avatar
Schizowallflower Schizowallflower is offline
Correspondent
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Monroe, MI
Posts: 265
Schizowallflower is on a distinguished road
Credits: 1,655
Send a message via MSN to Schizowallflower Send a message via Yahoo to Schizowallflower
Default On point #1...

I don't think it's possible to run for office without pointing out what the previous holder has or hasn't done. I think a candidate needs to "reflect" on the previous politician's actions, and explain how he or she will be different. I don't think it's possible to explain how you're "different" without something to compare yourself to.
__________________
Believing that McAfee is going to protect you from hackers and viruses is exactly like believing that republicans can actually protect you from terrorists.

When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-11-2008, 10:54 AM
Ixtellor's Avatar
Ixtellor Ixtellor is offline
Analyst
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,277
usa us texas
Ixtellor is a splendid one to beholdIxtellor is a splendid one to beholdIxtellor is a splendid one to beholdIxtellor is a splendid one to beholdIxtellor is a splendid one to beholdIxtellor is a splendid one to beholdIxtellor is a splendid one to behold
Credits: 16,827
Default .

Quote:
1.) Presidents Campaigning should NOT always point out what the current president has done or is doing and how they will do it better.
I think it is quite useful. You have to make comparisons, about why you will be the best candidate. The current President is obviously par for the course, and you can explain why you will do just as well or better through comparison.

Plus, what is the point about beating around the bush.

"I will not nation build like some people." Seems less honest.

Quote:
2.) This is specifically pointed out to Hilary. I have no idea how she even has votes. I understand what I learn from my parents may just be opinion. Although my father is a very fair person and will not look down upon them if they make little mistakes. Anyways I have learned from them that within Hilary's life she simply plays dirty politics and is a down right bad person in general.
Most politicians do this. Its generally referred to as "politics"

I guess this means you don't like any President we have had in the past 100 years if you don't like these tactics.

How did you feel about the swiftboaters?
Or Bush's hitjob on McCain in 2000?

I don't know how you take this and tranlate it into "hilary is a bad person in general"
You must think all politicians are bad people, if this is your criteria. You must think George Bush is total scum based on this criteria.

Quote:
3.) Illegal Immigrants. I understand America is a country of the free and the home of the brave, but Illegals Immigrants do not belong to our country. Which comes to my main point, WHY do they get free stuff... Or even why do none working lazy people get free health care.
Few questions to help flesh out your viewpoint.

1) An illegal alien in the country is run over by a car that ran a red light. Should we provide free medical care or let him/her die?

2) A 10 year old girl is forced to come to America by her parents who found work here. Should she be allowed to go to school, or would you prefer she walk the streets in search of amusment, or should she be locked up in the basement all day? Should children suffer for the crimes of their parents?

Quote:
4.)Voting. I do understand, blah blah blah
The framers agreed with you, hence the electoral college.

As to why we don't give "tests" to see who is qualifed to vote, you might brush up on your American History particularly sufferage in the South.

Would you trust Hillary's crack team of test givers to be fair in administering the test? Would you trust anyone to administer the test?

Quote:
5.) My LAST opinion, is that People should not disrespect the President of the United States. blah blah blah
I like Free speech.
You sound like a commie.

Quote:
6.) Everyone should be respectful during the Pledge of Allegiance.
I agree that everyone "should" be. But the fact is its a free country, and if people want to not participate, I think they should be free to do so.

If you lived in a communist country, you will find people are very respectful of pledges and flags, and things of that nature. You seem to have a lot in common with commies actually.

Quote:
7.) People should speak English in public.
1) If people wish to get ahead in our society, they will learn english.
2) I like freedom. If you want to speak Russian, or Chinese, or Spanish go for it. I think the whole concept of "freedom" escapes you. You seem to have a lot of views about what exactly people should be doing, saying, speaking in your "ideal" country. So do commies.

Ixtellor

P.S. America, love it or leave it. Or stay here. Or do whatever, its America enjoy.
__________________
_______________________________________
George W. Bush "I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation-building"

Blasphemy is a victimless crime.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-11-2008, 06:31 PM
DrunkHippo DrunkHippo is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5
DrunkHippo is on a distinguished road
Credits: 142
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fear-And-Loathing View Post
Just out of curiosity, who are you voting for?

Some interesting opinions, but are you for Universal health care or what?
Actually I cannot vote. I am only 15, 3 more years


Ixteller. A lot of my opinions, as you have pointed out make me seem more like a communist. Although I don't agree with communism, but who knows I have only heard about it. Maybe it isn't as bad as what I hear. But, from what I have learned about it, I do not care for it.

Freedom, I think it is the best thing that has ever happened to the United States. Although I think people take freedom to far (Including myself.) I think people take freedom of speech to far, like trash talking the president, I mean he represents this country, if hes elected, he is at least staying in office for those 4 years then do not vote for him during reelection.
What I think it comes down to is, all of those people that stretch their freedom to the maximum extent, and all of the people like me balance out Americas freedom. I am a very orderly person, and I do often think that when something is right, that's what should be done(it's not always a good thing.)

Illegals, I think if we find illegals who are not aloud to be in this country, we should remove them and send them back to wherever they are from or put them to use. I say this because, America is becoming very populate and within another 100 years, Just imagine how populated America will be. Also crime rates will drop. As of all of the children here, I have no idea. I really do not have any solution to that.

I just wanted to add in about my other post I mentioned talking about what past presidents and how the candidate says how they will do it better. I main reason was, the Candidates should just say what they plain to do, in detail. Instead of pointing out other peoples flaws, why not find a solution and let your solution attract people to voting your name instead of having people vote for you being "better" than the president. I am sure it is possible to run for office without pointing out others flaws or hiring people to knock other candidates out of the race. I mean, don't we want an honest and kind president? Kind of like George W. Bush Junior, I may not like some of the things he has done. But with the authority he has, I have heard he hosts large cookouts and feasts and stuff with all his employees and stuff. I mean that is just a very friendly and nice president. Whether he is very intelligent and ambitious. At least hes a nice guy. I think personality matters quite a bit in the elections. I dunno, I'm getting off for the night.

-DrunkHippo
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-12-2008, 03:32 PM
Fear-And-Loathing's Avatar
Fear-And-Loathing Fear-And-Loathing is offline
Commentator
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: London Massive!!
Age: 19
Posts: 1,514
usa uk city of london
Fear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to beholdFear-And-Loathing is a splendid one to behold
Credits: 9,026
Default ...

I wrote a post earlier and it didn't post properly, so to cut it short Drunk-Hippo, I disagree with your stance on Immigration, our country was founded on immigrants why should we not say they can come?
__________________
I'll tell you this no eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn
Nothing to kill or die for and no religion too
You may bury my body, down by the highway side,
so my old evil spirit can get a Greyhound bus and ride.
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-13-2008, 07:45 PM
DrunkHippo DrunkHippo is offline
Observer
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 5
DrunkHippo is on a distinguished road
Credits: 142
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fear-And-Loathing View Post
I wrote a post earlier and it didn't post properly, so to cut it short Drunk-Hippo, I disagree with your stance on Immigration, our country was founded on immigrants why should we not say they can come?
My main reason against immigration is having tons of people who do not speak English and gets tons of stuff free. They live their lives against the law and do not have any problems. Why must we abide by such laws if outsiders do not have to. (I am not suggesting no one abiding by laws.)

I too hate when my post gets like erased It's very irritating.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
america, healthcare, hilary, obama, opinion

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Your thoughts. taxpayer7 Political Opinions & Beliefs 9 09-24-2007 05:22 PM
some thoughts political Forum Help, Feedback, Etc. 2 07-09-2006 06:10 AM
Your thoughts on pot and other drugs? rota Political Opinions & Beliefs 20 05-21-2006 03:32 PM
These are my uh, thoughts King-Cotton Political Opinions & Beliefs 3 08-28-2004 09:12 AM
Little bit of thoughts... Locke Drugs, Alcohol & Tobacco 2 06-16-2004 12:27 AM

Sponsored Links

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 04:00 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0
Template-Modifikationen durch TMS
vBCredits v1.3 ©2007 by Darkwaltz4
Advertisement System V2.1 By   Branden