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    Every single American politican who stood back while a place like 'Gitmo' was built, should hang their heads in shame.

    Every single American politician who has since stood back, while it remains, and while human beings remained captured there, against their will, without formal charge, without anything, they should hang their heads in shame.

    Obama and his adminstration wrong footed you all when he said that the place would be closed.

    He has simply lied, for the intention was never to close it.

    If you are someone who is either apathetic to, or worse, even supports the continued presence of this terrible establishment, this blight on American justice, then you support the concept of Gov officials being able to simply take who they like, often without charge or given reason, and hold and torture them.

    And if you support that premise, then you would logically have to have been the kind of person that, back in the day, would have supported the principle of concentratons camps.
    "They [the Jews] care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment," he wrote in 1947.
    "Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political, neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the underdog. (Truman)


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    I don't believe a word. I'm quite happy to watch Britain's Got Talent instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doctor Syn View Post
    I don't believe a word. I'm quite happy to watch Britain's Got Talent instead.
    One only hopes that you are being ironic....
    "They [the Jews] care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment," he wrote in 1947.
    "Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political, neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the underdog. (Truman)

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    We're all following the same script in the western (*)(*)(*)(*)ation. Their pyramid scheme is coming to a melting point and they must keep the people under control.

    You don't even have weapons. Imagine the plans for the armed Americans.
    The State has never been created by a "social contract"; it has always been born in conquest and exploitation.

    -Rothbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenrichaed View Post
    You obviously don't see the difference. Britain and the US pass laws to make this legal whereas the Gestapo needed no laws. If you don't see the relevance in that than i'm afraid your still a bit naive.
    The Gestapo had statutes. They were just as vague and worded to make anyone a criminal just as statutes in the US and Britain are today.
    "The principle that the end justifies the means is, in individualist ethics, regarded as the denial of all morals. In collectivist ethics it becomes necessarily the supreme rule" -- F. A. Hayek.
    "A day, an hour, of virtuous liberty is worth a whole eternity in bondage" -- Joseph Addison's "Cato, A Tragedy" (1713)
    "The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." - Albert Camus

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoytmonger View Post
    The US is the same.
    Distressing to say the least.

    He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security. He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither. ~ Benjamin Franklin
    Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice. ~ White House Talking Points

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    Quote Originally Posted by BleedingHeadKen View Post
    The Gestapo had statutes. They were just as vague and worded to make anyone a criminal just as statutes in the US and Britain are today.
    Germany, or Hitler rather, instituted these "laws" not as something that could happen but as an outline of what he planned to do. America and Britain are doing no such thing. I can't recall of one person falsely imprisoned under the Patriot Act or one person who has fallen victim to the NDAA yet.

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    Obama is going to bring a sawed-off to his 2nd term. That guy in Britain is going to bring an extended-tasor.
    The State has never been created by a "social contract"; it has always been born in conquest and exploitation.

    -Rothbard

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetworkCitizen View Post
    Obama is going to bring a sawed-off to his 2nd term. That guy in Britain is going to bring an extended-tasor.
    Well, seeing how you can be accused of using a weapon by throwing a book at someone in England, maybe all he would have to bring is a copy of War and Peace.
    Never assume malice when stupidity will suffice. ~ White House Talking Points

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Napier View Post
    When I was younger, and considerably more naive than I am now, I bought the line that the US and Britain had scored a great result for 'freedom and fairness', after the fall of the demonised Third Reich.

    I believed that this 'victory' represented many things, including an end to a hierarchy who became so remote and unaccountable for their actions, that they were no longer a public arm, working for the public good, but a sinister secret service, engaging in dubious actions, and inventing new laws that had the end result of being punative to a give group or opinion.

    I can see now that what I believed was simply propaganda itself.

    An illusion.

    WW2 wasn't the battle of good and evil, as sold to us when young, because the numerous evils that British and US elites have made possible, ordered and sanctioned since then, have been every bit as evil or demented as Nazi idealogy.

    When I heard of the 'Gestapo' as a kid, I had a mental image of men in suits, arriving at people's homes, at 5am.

    They would take them away.

    The person would have no legal rights, visitors, and would often be culpable of no crime that could be evidenced.

    The state of civilised Germany simply wanted that person gone.

    And this happened.

    And, of course, any right minded person would see how fundamentally wrong that is.

    And yet, the same people who nod at how wrong that would be, they are either blind or brainwashed to the many stealth laws and bills that have been snuck through Parliment, while the nation has been watching reality television.

    My guess would be that the largest % of British are not even aware to what extent new powers, and rather disconcerting one's at that, have been handed over to often the same sources that routinely lie to us, on all other key matters.

    In modern Britain, the secret services and the police, they literally copy what I said in my opening paragraph.

    If they decide they want to take you, they take you.

    If they evoke new legislation, they can take you right to prison, not a police cell, they can keep you there without charge, they can refuse to tell you what the evidence of whatever the allegation is, against you.

    They will keep you kidnapped without trial or proof of any crime, 23 hours a day, year after after year.

    And lest you come back out, at their behest, your misery may not end there. They evoke another special clause that does not permit you visitors, net access, a mobile phone, and you must, almost Orwellian style, call a central control, both at 3am then again at 7am, so they can control you.

    Remember, this is NOT paedophiles or convicted rapists or sex offenders we are speaking of, who have had a trial, with evidence, and facts put forward, as well as a defence.

    It is important to remember that.

    This is agents who are part of a system known to lie to us, deciding that they do not need to engage in the very laws and process that is there to protect us all from future abuses.

    If you feel apathetic about this, remember that history will show you that these kinds of laws are nearly always abused, and they are nearly always extended, until one day, it is YOU they are effecting.

    If you feel that in order for 'our' Gov's to do such things, there must be some really special reason, because our Gov's are just so honest, reliable, and truthful. Aren't they? Must those that the Gestapo and other secret police took away, must they have all been guilty of some terrible crime? Or were they victims of power gone mad?



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    You are not above the law of the land. Sorry, but that's how it is.

    A person that does not act lawfully and pay due respect to the laws of the land is not just able to do as they please, and nor should they be able to.

    Unless, of course, you support kiddie prostitution rackets.

    ..or at least that is the justification you offered to me on another thread...I'm still not sure if I'm convinced of the validity of the argument but there it is...
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