Why Ron Paul is Right

An answer for those conservative voters who "like Ron Paul on a lot of issues, but think he's just flat out wrong on foreign policy.":

http://www.ronpauliswrong.com

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

That article goes almost as far as to say that Islamic fundamentalists have good reasons for attacking. Those groups do not own the middle east. There are many countries in that region and we have alliances with some of those countries. We do not have respect this crazy notion that westerners aren't welcome on the so called "holy" land just because al qaeda says so.

Ron Paul seems to have a problem telling the difference between criminals and enemies. During debates or speeches his policy sounds like we should just run back home and wish away the attacks. He never says anything that makes him sound like he would protect our nation from terrorist threats.

I can support the goal of moving our attention back to our homeland, but that is not always going to be the right solution.

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So the U.S. has never done anything that could warrant an attack from foreigners? That's not what the CIA admitted in their report after they overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in the 50's so British Petroleum could maintain its access to the oil. Their report stated the U.S. should expect "blowback" - meaning "violent retaliation" for its role in the coup.

And that's unfortunately not the only crime we've committed in a foreign nation. Here is a rather long list. Can you refute those facts?

Those governments are not legit. They don't own the middle east either. Take Saudi Arabia for example, can you defend the facts about them here?

Here are some more facts about our "special" ally.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

Ah yessssssss, the old depose the government of iran and other stories, from the Big Book of Appeaser Fairy Tales, written for the delectation of 12 year olds, or the similarly simple minded!

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http://politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=27847

No, you deceptive fraud, it is a fact, everyone can see the CIA documents for themselves in the documentary Why We Fight.

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." - Schopenhauer

possibly you don't yet know that after 9/11 the US military presence was removed from saudi arabia ... which land is viewed as Islamic holy land.
that Dr. Paul understands why the religious fanatics (in this instance of the Moslem persuasion) inveigh against the western presence in what they view as holy land, and that they find our culture soils theirs as the rationale for inflicting terror on our nation does not mean that he condones those actions.


ok, since this is such an easy task to perfom, please share with us how we can distinguish the criminals and our enemies. i'll get the popcorn

you exhibit the symptoms of kool aid poisoning. Dr. Paul does say we should bring our troops back home from iraq BECAUSE IRAQ DID NOT ATTACK US.
he is a military veteran himself and being a Constitutionalist he recognizes the obligation of the federal government to protect the American people; why do you think he would not do so?

ok, when should our nation's focus NOT be on our homeland?

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OK.......

Thing is, is that we have invaded Iraq (Afghanistan, well we would have had the UN's backing on that if we had used the UN, but we didn't) and we owe the people of Iraq to sort out the mess we created. If we leave, the same thing will happen that did with Vietnam. We'll leave, some extremist government will arise and brutaly oppress the people. Thing is, is that the government won't arise through democracy, it'll takeover.

The US owes it to stick it out until Iraq's sorted out. Yes, more and blood and treasure will be spent, but to pull out........

We owe it to the Iraqi's. Their country will fall apart. We will not be affected (or maybe we will if an extremist government arises that is democratically elected and wants to use all available means to attack us?) and therefore should not be interested. Sorry, how can than cut it with any Human? How can pulling out of our main international dialog institution help anyone? We are the most powerful country in the world and to put it bluntly it is up to the strongest to protect all of the weak. That is a Self-Evident truth, we are the most powerful country in the world and our lack of willing to help the people we exploit in order to maintain our lifestyle is dispicable. I'm sorry, we owe it most nations to sort out their problems for them. There are simple conflicts that can be resolves, a minority seizes power and brutally exploits the majority, that sounds wrong to me. Iraq had the same problem, minority oppressed the majority. So shouldn'y we really be supporting the oppressed groups? Or you know what, we can take the easy route, not give a (*)(*)(*)(*). They can;t sort it out so we ignore and exploit them.

Doesn't cut it. Iraq yeah well were there for the oil, but we did also free them from a brutal dictator and yes, the situation will sort out. Democracy doesn't just appear in 5 years......

We owe it to them to stay until it's better than it was before. If you think we should leave them to it and make it worse essentially, than that is a true testament to you character and sense of Humanity......

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Since we haven't come up with a solution to our need for oil people like the Saudi's will be our allies. Hey we're not perfect at all, we also buy products from China. And yes we supported our enemies of today when we were facing a greater enemy yesterday. We have to solve our economic problems that keep us involved overseas. Ron Paul does advocate for economic policies that could lead to this solution but he is too foolish to believe he can have his cake and eat it too. The fact is that the less weight we carry when bargaining for oil today, the harder it is to strengthen our financial state here at home. Ideals are great but Paul seems to be pushing for too much isolationism too quickly.
Followers of Al Quada are enemies. People like them that wage war against our citizens and interests should not have access to our criminal system or even our constitutional rights. Any state that does not make an attempt to stop these terrorist groups within their borders could also be a potential enemy. Of course that is if you believe the 9/11 attacks were unjustified. Otherwise you should be joining the jihad.

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Society is produced by our wants and government by our wickedness ~Thomas Paine

I will never buy the argument that our enemies hate us simply because we are the most powerful country in the world. This isn’t high school where the jocks are hated by the nerds because they’re cool and popular. The world is infinitely more complex than to irresponsibly label the threat of terrorists and plain and simple jealousy. There are very valid and tangible reason for this hatred; some of it due to US influence and some of it due to influences beyond our control.
When I speak of ruthlessness I speak of the countless acts of deposing democratically elected leaders and propping up and supporting undemocratic dictators and other underhand act of subversion. We overthrew Mossedeq in Iran and replaced him the Shah who brutalized his people for over 30 years; we fostered fail coups in Syria, Egypt, and Iraq, we supported a series of dictators in Pakistan stretching back to the 1950’s and continue to do so to this day; we eventually succeeded in overthrowing Iraq and propped up Saddam Hussein; we are traditional supporters of the state of Israel, sworn enemy of the Arab world, by supplying arms and financing their wars against the Middle East; we armed the Afghan resistance only to turn our backs when thy sought aid to rebuild after the war ended; we supported the Maronite Christian minority in Lebanon resulting in a brutal civil war; we funded Iraq’s war against Iran; we then supplied the Iranians with arms and military intelligence for their war with Iraq; and finally went to war against Iraq to liberate Kuwait all while, according to Islamic extremists, defiling the sacred land of Saudi Arabia and liberating a Kuwaiti nation who oppresses poorer Arab countries.
Given the history of American foreign policy in the Arab world, it is without question that we have given people in the Middle East good reason to dislike us.
Of course this isn’t the only reason we are at war with terrorist; Islamic fundamentalism and the Middle East’s long tradition of poverty, colonization, and isolation have also contributed to the current crisis.
Therefore I find it just sort of insane to believe that they hate us because we are so free!
And of course we were hated as much under Clinton; remember the attack and murder of two CIA employees outside of CIA headquarters, The World Trade Center bombing, and the assassination attempt on Bush Sr. in 1993; it was in 1998 that Bin Laden declared he was on a mission from God to kill Americans and followed that statement by bombing the American embassies in Kenya later that summer. I would guess their hatred of us goes back many years.

I think most people in these countries don't want our military on their land and al Qaeda thrives off of this discontent.

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See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction.

- G.W. Bush, 10/3/2003