Thread: How Zionism Wil End And It's Greatest Fear.

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Deep in the recesses of the mind of the Zionist lies their greatest fear of all.

And on this occasion, their fear is not without foundation.

What is their biggest fear? Well, despite the PR, it certainly isn't Arabs. If Israel feared Arabs, then they would not have behaved the way they have, for sixty years. So we can leave that to one side, and forget all about Arab Muslims in the context of the Zionists greatest anxiety.

And it most certainly isn't 'another holocaust'.

This is crass and cynical BS that is passed of as 'possible', into the mainstream media, and soaked up by chimps.

The bulk of World Jews actually do not live in 'the Jewish state', and those that don't seem to prefer not to.

Why would they do that, if they could go move to the Jewish state if they wanted to? If things were that bad for Jews across Europe and N America, they would be able to 'return' to 'Israel', whether they had been there before or not, whether they knew anyone or not, and if they could speak any Hebrew or not. They just need to be a Jew.

Rather than any sufference by Jews in 2012, across N America and Europe, they are actually given more protections, and special protections.

The Jews of Europe and US cannot complain about modern life living alongside non Jews.

So the idea of Holocaust 2 is nothing but cynical alarmism.

Ah. but, I hear you say.....it is those INSANE MUSLIMS THAT WANT ANOTHER HOLOCAUST.

Yeah.

This would be a handy narrative to confirm that 'those Muslims are all just mad Jew haters', save for the facts.

And the facts are that during the peak of the problems for working class Jews in Europe, the Jews of the region that is Palestine, and beyond, they were the safest on the planet. These Jews had lived there, alongside Arab Christians and Muslims, for thousands of years. They lived together side by side, in a proper and thriving society.

So, we can forget all about Holocaust 2, for the reasons cited.

The biggest fear of the Zionist is that enough people, esp it must be said, in the US, wake up, and realise that they are being used, exploited, and all made fools of, by the Zionist elites.

A good % already do, that is clear.

But I sense that this is increasing in momentum, and if the Zionists lose their control over the minds of the US public, then the US public will start to demand that their leaders stop supporting all that the Zionists do, to stop giving billions to a supposedly first world 'state', and if they have any dealings with Israel at at all, it would be to uphold UN Directives, rather than veto them.

This welfare state cannot exist in it's present form, unless people are conned by their treacherous politicians into sending more and more $$$ there, while you have less $$$ to spend within your own country.

The Zionist state could no longer use US supplied arms and munitions to commit acts that are truly atrocious, to all but the mentally ill.

But the most scary thing(for them) is that when the public mindset shifts, they will no longer be able to behave in the way they have, for with the support of the US, we would be able to do the right thing, and the ethical thing, and that is force them to comply with international law.

This will happen, and I don't even think we are speaking way into the future.

It is not just those in America that are starting to realise Zionism makes a fool of them, all across Europe, people are also waking up.

Regimes, idealogies, and empires that seemed invincible have fallen, all the way through history.

At one time, it appeared that the 1000 year Reich would happen, that Nazi Germany were unstoppable.

Now German National Socialism is pushed to the periphary, and in some countries, the idealogy itself is actually illegal.

Communism at one time was an incredibly poweful machine, in E Europe.

It never looked like it would cease. Then it did.

And so on.

It is this pattern in history which indicates to anyone with intellect, that it is almost inevitable that Zionism too will fall, and the reasons why have been written.

Quite where this shift in dynamic would leave 'Israel', is open to debate.

It would not be as it is now, or has been.

It may not follow that Israel no longer exists, per se, merely that it will exist in a different and better form, for peace, and for humankind.

An Israel could exist, with conditions attached, and I think that is how it will play out, in the end.

Those conditions will be enforced, either through sanctions or otherwise, by the new political and public shift that I believe inevitable.

That is if they need enforcing.

These would include;

Clearly defined borders, along the lines of how the region looked in 48.

All illegal settlements to be decanted, with the land handed back to those displaced.

All Israeli's that were born in Israel, and who presently live there, could remain.

All 'Israeli's' who are merely European or American immigrants, whose presence has meant the theft of the land or home of another, are to be deported back to their nation of origin.

Israel must first account for what nukes it has, then agree to a programme of abolishment. They have no right to threaten death to other nations in the region, while they themselves have them.

Key Israel Zionist politicians and Zionist military leaders to be brought before trial, charged with human rights violations.

These would be some core conditions, I am sure I can think of others, but in time, I beleive that a Zionist free and reshaped Israel, could live at peace again, with it's near neighbours.

Jack

Once Christians realize that the Jews spit on us constantly I think they will have no more friends left. Without us, who has their back? They will eventually be on their own because they pushed everyone away. They thought they were smarter than everyone in the world, even God.

The BIGGEST fear of the Ashkenazi Zionist "Jews" is the fact that the REAL Israelites are waking up worldwide and they need to get their statehood in place so the REAL Israelites can't come in and take the land without a fight.

But guess what, it won't matter. a fight is coming anyway. We already know what we gotta do to rid the land of these Demons. GOD is on the Israelites side.

Forget Iran, forget the Palestinians, worry about the Israelites.

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

Once Christians realize that the Jews spit on us constantly I think they will have no more friends left. Without us, who has their back? They will eventually be on their own because they pushed everyone away. They thought they were smarter than everyone in the world, even God.

As it is written in the Bible. Her abominations have reached Heaven. it's a wrap.

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

Once Christians realize that the Jews spit on us constantly I think they will have no more friends left. Without us, who has their back? They will eventually be on their own because they pushed everyone away. They thought they were smarter than everyone in the world, even God.

Well done sir, I commend you.

By 'we', I take it to be that you are a Christian?

I myself am not religous, but I do believe that it is must be a 'sin' to literally infiltrate and distort Christianity?

If you are the intelligent person and Christian that you appear to be, then I am hoping that you can answer if the above would be a sin on a mass scale?

I cannot see how the answer be anything other than a 'yes'.

And while not religous, I have read the Bible, and some of the core principles of Jesus, your prophet, they are good one's.

Zionists have, at least in the US, usurped your primary religion - Christianity.

They have formed what I believe should be an affront to those that follow or want to follow the teachings of Jesus.

It is called, as I am sure you will know by now, 'Christian Zionism'.

And it absolutely stands for just about everything that Jesus would have found abhorent, therefore, true believers in Jesus should also evaulate it the same way.

Go listen to some well known, and very rich 'Christian Zionists', such as John Hagee speaking.

These are not the words of a spiritual man, or a good man.

This is not a heart that your prophet Jesus would have approved of.

His is full of hate, spite and malice.

Hardly surprising, since those are the qualites that best describe most Zionists.

Sometimes I wish I did believe in your idea of a judgement after death, because all those bastards might rot in hell.


Jack

Originally Posted by Jack Napier

Well done sir, I commend you.

By 'we', I take it to be that you are a Christian?

I myself am not religous, but I do believe that it is must be a 'sin' to literally infiltrate and distort Christianity?

If you are the intelligent person and Christian that you appear to be, then I am hoping that you can answer if the above would be a sin on a mass scale?

I cannot see how the answer be anything other than a 'yes'.

And while not religous, I have read the Bible, and some of the core principles of Jesus, your prophet, they are good one's.

Zionists have, at least in the US, usurped your primary religion - Christianity.

They have formed what I believe should be an affront to those that follow or want to follow the teachings of Jesus.

It is called, as I am sure you will know by now, 'Christian Zionism'.

And it absolutely stands for just about everything that Jesus would have found abhorent, therefore, true believers in Jesus should also evaulate it the same way.

Go listen to some well known, and very rich 'Christian Zionists', such as John Hagee speaking.

These are not the words of a spiritual man, or a good man.

This is not a heart that your prophet Jesus would have approved of.

His is full of hate, spite and malice.

Hardly surprising, since those are the qualites that best describe most Zionists.

Sometimes I wish I did believe in your idea of a judgement after death, because all those bastards might rot in hell.


Jack

Ever since I was a child my brain was engulfed in Jewish culture. I was always curious about these people. As a young child I remember thinking "where are Jewish people? They are such a minority, so few of them, yet I hear about them constantly. I am learning about them constantly. Always in good lights of course" I shrugged it off. But more recently, and I realize you're probably a social liberal, but I'm not....anyways...and I realized the the land of the Jews, Israel, is the number 1 tourist destination for homosexuals. They recently approved of medicinal marijuana. Their televisions are saturated with anti-Christ teachings. Mockery. That would be one thing if it stayed on their shores, but, as an American, they have infilitrated my homeland, and are subliminally attacking my religion - the predominant religion of my people, the American people - on our television, radio, movie theaters, and anywhere they have their grimy little hands in control of. This is not the actions of people who are desperately trying to not be persecuted........

Originally Posted by RiseAgainst

Ever since I was a child my brain was engulfed in Jewish culture. I was always curious about these people. As a young child I remember thinking "where are Jewish people? They are such a minority, so few of them, yet I hear about them constantly. I am learning about them constantly. Always in good lights of course" I shrugged it off. But more recently, and I realize you're probably a social liberal, but I'm not....anyways...and I realized the the land of the Jews, Israel, is the number 1 tourist destination for homosexuals. They recently approved of medicinal marijuana. Their televisions are saturated with anti-Christ teachings. Mockery. That would be one thing if it stayed on their shores, but, as an American, they have infilitrated my homeland, and are subliminally attacking my religion - the predominant religion of my people, the American people - on our television, radio, movie theaters, and anywhere they have their grimy little hands in control of. This is not the actions of people who are desperately trying to not be persecuted........

An interesting narrative, which I will come to, in a moment.

I just fail to see, sticking with John Hagee, from the distorted new religion that is Christian Zionism, how anyone that can profess to believe in the core principles of Jesus teachings, cannot see that he and his ilk preach a message of hate, intolerance, and call for mass murder.

He, this fork tongued obese usurper, this man who should (*)(*)(*)(*) on your primary religion, he hates the principles of Jesus, and it is likely that if he could, he woud have him nailed to that cross, all over again.

He who should call for a nations people to suffer the terrible consquences of a nuclear attack, as Hagee has, they cannot be a person that does anything other than laughs in the face of the philosophy of Christ.

Equally, when Hagee, bloated and rich through this scam, tells an audience that the poor should be left to starve, tell me, where did Jesus say this?

Quite what % of Christinans in the US that have not been taken in, quite what % that can see what you can see, is likely hard to measure.

I would hope that the numbers increase, yet fear that the numbers right now are not high enough.

I am hetrosexual, I don't give much thought to homosexuals, I see people as people, first of all, and their sex life does not really interest me, unless there is something seriously illegal or non consential happening.

However, there is no question that Zionists have been clever enough to exploit more liberal times, by pretending to be civilised.

After all, 'if they are so tolerant of gays, they MUST be okay, right?'.

After all, those 'nasty Muslims would murder you if you were gay', right?

Well, Israel may tolerate, and even politcally encourage tolerance of gays, however, this in itself does not then get them off the hook, or fool anyone.

Besides, it may be worth pointing out that several senior Nazi's were gay, it was probably known among their colleagues of the time.

Also, do not forget the Zionists true god - money and power.

Ever heard of the expression the 'pink pound'? Are you aware that gays tend to be better off, financially?

Hardly a coincidence, is it.

See...

Pink-washing Israel

PR companies hired by Israel have taken prominent gays on tour to Israel, and also taken prominent Israeli gays on tour to Europe and the United States. These efforts attempt to show that Israel is a tolerant and gay-friendly society

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Hasbara

What a hateful and interesting thread.

Long live Israel!

First off Let me say I am ignorant of much of this discussion so can someone comment on a few things for me?
1. I currently understand the word Zionist to be used derogatorily that identifies Jews who have used religion and past hardships to manipulate the world so that they ran rise to powerful controlling positions. If I'm wrong correct me. If I'm correct and that is in fact what they have done, why should that make me mad. People every day do that. If a race of people can pull it off together that shows unity. And oppressing people is bad for business so if it is true there could be a lot worse people in those powerful positions.

2. I can't say that this is what happening but Israel is a strategic Ally in the middle east. Despite what they may say about Christianity they are a safe zone and take the brunt of middle eastern violence. It has seemed to me that our government leaders allow such trade offs specifically for Israel's continued presence there. Religion shouldn't be used for political gains but someone probably sees it as the best way to get people to stand behind Israel.

3. On the homosexuality topic it has been my experience that the middle east Muslims and Jews have an abundance in homosexuals.

Originally Posted by Brave Heart

1. I currently understand the word Zionist to be used derogatorily that identifies Jews who have used religion and past hardships to manipulate the world so that they ran rise to powerful controlling positions.

Hmm, not even close. According to the definition of word 'Zionism' in every dictionary:
Zionism: a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.
http://oxforddictionaries.com/defini...nism?q=zionism

Israel haters do try to use the term derogatory, you are absolutely right about that. It's just one of their multiple tactics to demonize and deligitimize Israel.

Originally Posted by Brave Heart

1. I currently understand the word Zionist to be used derogatorily that identifies Jews who have used religion and past hardships to manipulate the world so that they ran rise to powerful controlling positions.

2.Despite what they may say about Christianity they are a safe zone and take the brunt of middle eastern violence.

The garbage written in this thread notwithstanding Jews (Israeli and non-Israeli) have absolutely no problem with Christians and Christianity. In fact Israel is the only Middle Eastern country where the number of Christians is increasing. Needless to say there are bad apples in Israel and among Jews but they don't represent Jews any more than Johny Walker Lindh represents americans.