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Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil Exodus 23:2
It's not as cheap as they say, but there are some good plans out there, still. I use an HSA plan with a high deductible for my wife and I.
"The principle that the end justifies the means is, in individualist ethics, regarded as the denial of all morals. In collectivist ethics it becomes necessarily the supreme rule" -- F. A. Hayek.
"A day, an hour, of virtuous liberty is worth a whole eternity in bondage" -- Joseph Addison's "Cato, A Tragedy" (1713)
"The only way to deal with an unfree world is to become so absolutely free that your very existence is an act of rebellion." - Albert Camus
The market knows how.
You're the central planner. You're gonna do what the market does, and you're gonna do it better. Don't you think you ought to start by knowing what the market knows?
Guru
Haven't you heard? Americans are special
"The eagle watches from the mountain.
As the warriors turn into fools.
And the dice are thrown on sacred ground.
And they move closer to the truth"
Guru
I don't plan anything except for my next work assignment. I know aspirin is good for a headache and thinning blood but rat poison (Warfarin) works better. I know where to buy aspirin. That's all I need to know.
Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil Exodus 23:2
Guru
Exceptional?Haven't you heard? Americans are special
Thou shalt not follow a multitude to do evil Exodus 23:2
Guru
This is the effect of what I have previously said comes from the third party payee system.
In a rational economy,nthe cost of a product is controlled by the buyers who will seek the best services at the lowest costs.
Prices will continue to rise when this relationship is changed.
Presently, the buyers seek the best services available to them while some third party foots the bill, i.e.; the government or the insurance company.
I think the Ryan Plan attempts to initiate some person responsibility for the patient to choose medical services with more attention to the cost.
If I undestand Ryan, his plan credits each person with a fixed bankroll of money available to them, which they can use to assist in heir purchase of service.
The essence of the idea is that each person realizes he is spending a reserve of cash set aside for himself but if depleted, not to be replaced except by himself.
t seems pretty simple.
If we applied the present way of marketing anything we would get the same economic consequences: rising prices in a market flooded by sellers.
Imagine a plan where we all paid 9a fixed premium) into a fund (insurance company) which would pay the gasoline bill for our car.
We could fill up all we wanted and just sign a slip so the Gas Station could get paid.
Clearly Gas Stations would systematically raise the price, be very friendly, and never suggest we were all suddenly driving all day Sunday and buying SUV's and gas guzzlers.
Essentially, no one would give a (*)(*)(*)(*) but all would complain that the insurance carriers were theives.
But who really is the crook here?
You?
Guru
2X
The Ryan Plan is an intermediate step, I think.
But the present situation will either change because intelligent unbias hard decisions are made regardless of the insurance and AMA lobbies to keep it place,... or the Reality will set in as poor heath care meets the breaking point where funds can not cover all the services demanded by people who want that service for nothing.
It is really just common sense.
Examples like how fine the System works right now in Britain, Austria, France, etc simply present us with the "Feelings" that the impossible can be accomplished.
Health Care in America encourages every single person freely, and for free, to use medical services as if they are free.
Of course common sense tells us that the present cost is 17% of the money floating through the economy every year.
Observation tells us that premiums and drug cost rise double the inflation rate every year.
Insight tells us that adding 60 million more people under Obama care will flood the doctors offices and hospitals.
Recognizing that facilities are staffed by personal that is stretched already, the increase demand using the same number of doctors nd nurse equals giant rise in cost and their salaries.
Just a few exchanges ago you were advocating elimination of part of the American health care industry.
I'd like for people who say things like that to think more about what they are really saying.
Next time you buy something think about all the production factors that must have gone into getting that thing in your hand.
Aspirin is relatively one of the simplest drugs to make, but actually making it is not simple at all. I think they used to make it from bay leaves. Now it's synthesized by combining salicylic acid, acetic anhydride, acetylsalicylic acid and acetic acid. Then it's divided into doses and mixed in a medium, something like calcium, I think. Then it's put in a plastic bottle made from a byproduct of the refining process for kerosine, probably gasoline now, wrapped with a label, then sold to you.
How all that's done I don't have a clue.
Between each of those steps there are thousands of steps that I've left out.
The entire process needed to get the aspirin from the earth to your hand complete with bottle, cap, label, little cotton thingy and price is so complex that there is no one person on the entire planet who understands it all. But the market understands it all. For the market it's so easy that it happens automatically. Since you are part of the market, the market knows everything you know, how much money you have, what you want, what you need. It even knows some things you don't know about yourself, like what you value more. It gets this information from your actions. When you sell something the market learns that you valued that amount of money more than the thing you sold at that particular time, and it gains similar information about the buyer. When, suddenly, people in New Orleans are willing to pay twice the average going rate for a generator, the market knows that New Orleans needs more generators, and it responds immediately and automatically buy moving generators to New Orleans. When the price stabilizes, the market knows, right away, that new Orleans has enough generators, and responds automatically and immediately but stopping the movement of generators to New Orleans.
Since it is not possible to know what the market knows, it is not possible to do what the market does.
When a politician talks about regulating the market, what he's really saying is the he want's to tamper with a machine of which he couldn't possibly ever have any understanding. It's akin to proposing to fix a supercomputer by pulling out parts and throwing them away, and then pouring sand into the case.
Commentator
I dont believe you have made a factual statement here.
You could not possibly know he was a liberal just by looking at him, and I seriously doubt.
Last edited by Turin; Apr 25 2012 at 09:46 AM.
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