Thread: Just how influential are Freemasons worldwide?

Originally Posted by Jack Napier

No I am not Persian.

Do you not like Persians?

Remember also, NO ONE has made any absolute claims here.

Not me, not anyone else.

You were invited to either look at each of the 24 points for yourself, and apply them to the modern day, or have your thinking done for you.

Shame you chose the latter...

Sorry. You don't get to do my thinking for me. I do just fine.

No, I have no problem with Persian. Illogical bigots tend to irritate me. So, good bye, Jack.

Originally Posted by PatrickT

Sorry. You don't get to do my thinking for me. I do just fine.

No, I have no problem with Persian. Illogical bigots tend to irritate me. So, good bye, Jack.

You were invited to either look at each of the 24 points for yourself, and apply them to the modern day, or have your thinking done for you.

Thanks for proving my point, Patrick...

Originally Posted by KSigMason

How is 32.5% of US Presidents being Masons "disproportionate"? It seems Masonry is by far the minority.


We don't hand pick members. In America particularly, one is supposed to join of his own free will and accord. That means zero recruiting or "hand picking". Freemasonry doesn't account for one's wealth when one is petitioning for membership.


Don't tell that to your spouse who might have given you something secret to keep. There is nothing wrong with secrecy or rather privacy. The word has become taboo because those who decry only decry secrecy because they lose control of the ability to manipulate information.


The rituals impart lessons and these lessons are often represented in symbols, but it is for the initiate to take these lessons and apply them.

Please note that I did not watch videos as it is very late and I'm heading to bed.

Someone can't ask to join. They have to be offered. That is "hand picking members". You act as if Masons are an equal opportunity club with a revolving door.

I stand firm in my comment about no healthy secrets. The tangled web we weave. A spouse who would have you value keeping secrets for them, is a spouse who would keep secrets from you. There is no healthier soul than the one who has nothing to hide .

I am not a fan of 'secret socities'.

I am even less keen on anyone within our body politic or really any position of public influence, being involved in one.

It encourages favouritism for one thing.

And for another, I prefer the above people to be transparent and accountable.

Which you cannot fully be, if you are a high ranking member of a secret society, since they...keep secrets!

How influential are the Freemasons?

About the same as the Moose.

At least an ordinary person can potentially get into the Masons, if they get a recommend.

How high they could go, I do not know.

No ordinary person could be a Bilderberger.

No ordinary person would get to be part of Bohemian Grove.

Originally Posted by Jack Napier

At least an ordinary person can potentially get into the Masons, if they get a recommend.

How high they could go, I do not know.

No ordinary person could be a Bilderberger.

No ordinary person would get to be part of Bohemian Grove.

Very true. But that is also a good move by Masons. Masons have been around longer than those other groups. No matter how impenetrable you perceive your control, things can go completely wrong, and time guarantees they always will. A Hitler type could hunt down every member alive of those other groups. He can't hunt down all the Masons. There is security in not being too selective.

Originally Posted by Jack Napier

The construct of the FR and it's affiliates is a Zionist owned one.

What do you think would happen to a President that began shouting about neutering the FR?

I would hope he would get elected. But - I know better. Americans are convinced that the other side of where they personally stand in the Left-Right war are the ones driving the nation. The Fed banking cartel does't seem to care very much whether Left or Right has the upper hand, for in reality, neither do. The cartel (via monetary policy) has a firm grip on their reins. Anyone that thinks that in the final analysis, political decision making is determined by anything other than money needs to take a good second look at how "the system" actually works.

Originally Posted by Til the Last Drop

Very true. But that is also a good move by Masons. Masons have been around longer than those other groups. No matter how impenetrable you perceive your control, things can go completely wrong, and time guarantees they always will. A Hitler type could hunt down every member alive of those other groups. He can't hunt down all the Masons. There is security in not being too selective.

Do you think 'Hiltler types', were always wearing uniform and foaming at the mouth, and laughing at Jews?

Not at all.

The truth, and perhaps this makes it more stark a truth, is that the German elite often behaved, relaxed, networked etc, in precisely the same manner as those that attend Bohemian Grove, or who are Bilderbergers.

They were often cultured.

They were well off.

They considered themselves to be almost like guardians of mankind, and assumed god like status.

And so on.

Originally Posted by darckriver

I would hope he would get elected. But - I know better. Americans are convinced that the other side of where they personally stand in the Left-Right war are the ones driving the nation. The Fed banking cartel does't seem to care very much whether Left or Right has the upper hand, for in reality, neither do. The cartel (via monetary policy) has a firm grip on their reins. Anyone that thinks that in the final analysis, political decision making is determined by anything other than money needs to take a good second look at how "the system" actually works.

Name the last US President or even candidate to propose the abolition of the FR?

And what would become of a potential candidate, or even President who...

Said no more unpaid back loans and other funding to Israel?

No more UNCONDITONAL support to Israel.

Demanded that Israel must comply with UN Res's and international law?