Thread: People laughed when we said the government would go from banning smoking to...

Originally Posted by Awryly

You talking about the right to become a burden on the state, are you?

Perhaps if the state wasn't so goddam expensive and meddlesome (and susceptible to influence) in private sector economic affairs, folks could make a decent living and keep enough of their own money to pay their own way?

Federal, state and local governments now control/devour $5.1 TRILLION of our $15 trillion GDP....
over one third...and yet, there are STILL poor folks and burdens on the state....what's the magic number? $10 trillion?....state ownership of means of production?

Originally Posted by webrockk

Perhaps if the state wasn't so goddam expensive and meddlesome (and susceptible to influence) in private sector economic affairs, folks could make a decent living and keep enough of their own money to pay their own way?

Federal, state and local governments now control/devour $5.1 TRILLION of our $15 trillion GDP....
over one third...and yet, there are STILL poor folks and burdens on the state....what's the magic number? $10 trillion?....state ownership of means of production?

Get private health insurance. It's the most expensive in the Western Hemisphere but it can save you if your insurance company does not find a thousand reasons to exclude you from cover.

Originally Posted by Awryly

Get private health insurance. It's the most expensive in the Western Hemisphere but it can save you if your insurance company does not find a thousand reasons to exclude you from cover.

I have it...just went from $269 (smoker) to 3 bills a month (thanks Obama!) with $2500 deductible....

According to the ‘Cost & Benefits of Individual and Family Health Insurance Plans’ report, released today by eHealth, Inc. (NASDAQ: EHTH), the average premium paid for individual health insurance coverage in the United States in 2011 was $2,196 per year ($183 per month); families paid an average annual premium of $4,968 ($414 per month). The report also found that the average deductible for individually-purchased health insurance plans in 2011 was $2,935 for individuals and $3,879 for families.
http://news.ehealthinsurance.com/pr/...ce-218305.aspx

Anything much over that $183.00 average....(which is easily doable for an employed adult who believes their own "temple" is more important than new flat screens in every room, maxed out credit cards, a $100 a month cable/internet bill, a $100 a month cell phone/media package, and $1000.00 a month to drive and insure a Caddy Escalade) ...is purely on an individual's choice to smoke, get married, make babies, eat themselves into heart disease, diabetes and obesity....

Originally Posted by webrockk

I have it...just went from $269 (smoker) to 3 bills a month (thanks Obama!) with $2500 deductible....



Anything much over that $183.00 average....(which is easily doable for an employed adult who believes their own "temple" is more important than new flat screens in every room, maxed out credit cards, a $100 a month cable/internet bill, a $100 a month cell phone/media package, and $1000.00 a month to drive and insure a Caddy Escalade) ...is purely on an individual's choice to smoke, get married, make babies, eat themselves into heart disease, diabetes and obesity....

You ever think those that subscribe to maxing out their credit cards and insist on cable/internet bills are just trying to have some kind of reasonable existence after cashing that whopper of a paycheck? Corporate entities are so very generous these days...Pretty soon, you'll be cursing the poor for sucking in too much air. Romney supporters probably don't have those kinds of problems to deal with though.

The 1774 American Declaration of Rights said that Americans never consented to be governed.

But in the nice Communist schools most of us go to, they tell us that we consented to be governed.

So if we believe that we consented to be governed by the geniuses in Congress and a jillion bullycrats, then we should shut up and obey them.

Maybe this cam be a hint at how our public servants ended up being our public masters.

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

You ever think those that subscribe to maxing out their credit cards and insist on cable/internet bills are just trying to have some kind of reasonable existence after cashing that whopper of a paycheck? Corporate entities are so very generous these days...Pretty soon, you'll be cursing the poor for sucking in too much air. Romney supporters probably don't have those kinds of problems to deal with though.

LOL!....yea, sport....the dropouts, players, drunks, pot heads, and brood mares who relegated their OWN lives to a minimum wage existence deserve a "reasonable existence", so they live beyond their means...

and it's SOMEHOW MY (*)(*)(*)(*)ING FAULT and RESPONSIBILITY the little scumbags can't afford to pay thay rents and for thay baby diapers, and for thay cell phone, and for thay own health insurance

Get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of my country.

It's a sad commentary on what we've become when people feel the need to legislate common sense.

In reference to what is being proposed in the OP, I'm reminded of my own town. It was established in the late 1800's. All the original neighborhoods have broad streets and sidewalks. This was done at a time when there was minimal interference from Washington. Now, the newer neighborhoods have skinny streets and no sidewalks. The city still claims a 60 ft. right-of-way, but doesn't make use of it. It seems that most towns are similar in that way. Cheaper that way, I suppose to have skinny streets and no sidewalks.

As far as physical ed., when I was in school it was required until 10th grade. You either brought your lunch or ate the cafeteria food and there were no snack or coke machines in the halls. Now there are.

In any case, government can do things to encourage a better quality of life as it's government that has allowed a poor quality to seep in. There is no reason that it needs to be a Federal thing, however.

Originally Posted by RtWngaFraud

You ever think those that subscribe to maxing out their credit cards and insist on cable/internet bills are just trying to have some kind of reasonable existence after cashing that whopper of a paycheck? Corporate entities are so very generous these days...Pretty soon, you'll be cursing the poor for sucking in too much air. Romney supporters probably don't have those kinds of problems to deal with though.

Corporations pay very well if you have a valuable, or even a useable skill. Something the OWSers don't understand. You losers need to change your own paradigm if you want to catch up with reality. That or you can just keep collecting other peoples money will sitting on your hind end.

Originally Posted by Hoosier8

Corporations pay very well if you have a valuable, or even a useable skill. Something the OWSers don't understand. You losers need to change your own paradigm if you want to catch up with reality. That or you can just keep collecting other peoples money will sitting on your hind end.

It's a catch 22. Corporations can and do pay more for any particular skill set one may possess. But at the same time, a "mom and pop" operation is the natural stepping stone for a worker to go from working to owner class, and eventually the founder of a corporation himself. When corporations are in bed with the state, fascism, we get what we are experiencing now. The free market natural selection tainted. Case in point, after the 1st depression many pioneers of industry went belly up, killing themselves or dying in mental hospitals. Now days, all the rich were bailed out. They should have been allowed to fail, regardless of hardships caused to commerce.

Originally Posted by Til the Last Drop

It's a catch 22. Corporations can and do pay more for any particular skill set one may possess. But at the same time, a "mom and pop" operation is the natural stepping stone for a worker to go from working to owner class, and eventually the founder of a corporation himself. When corporations are in bed with the state, fascism, we get what we are experiencing now. The free market natural selection tainted. Case in point, after the 1st depression many pioneers of industry went belly up, killing themselves or dying in mental hospitals. Now days, all the rich were bailed out. They should have been allowed to fail, regardless of hardships caused to commerce.

I agree with some of what you said, but take a few exceptions. My biggest objection is to you drawing a line between mom and pops and corporations -- most mom and pops are corporations. Corporations are not evil conspiracies, they're just a way for folks to get together and act collectively and most of us have no more influence over the government than individuals. In fact, many individual political organizers have more sway.

But I do agree with your point about the bail-outs. Yes it would have hurt if Bank of America or FORD went bankrupt... but the country would have been stronger after it healed. Frankly, I would have been happier if the state just bought them out for pennies on the dollar, nationalized them and over a defined schedule liquidated the assets. We set a horrible precedent and I fear it will haunt us for many generations.

.