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Old 07-18-2004, 05:53 PM
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I really hope so.

Otherwise it re-enforces the "CONSPIRACY" notion that this country is really run by "rich white "GOOD OLD BOYS" I hope change is really coming to this great nation of ours.
IT IS, Munko. I'll give you an example: I live in a very expensive neighborhood....gated community with homes upward of almost $3 million. We have 2 Muslim families, and 3 black families. They are treated just like everyone else.....welcomed and accepted at all the parties and get-togethers, etc. They are just as educated.....just as "rich"....and just as accepted as everyone else here. I think differences are not so much in race, but in socio-economic status. That's where the real difference come into play. It only stand to reason that people who are of the same socio-economic status have more in common. That's my opinion anyway.

Contrast that with how things were when I was a teenager back in the "stone ages".....my first job was at a theater selling tickets. There was a separate entrance for blacks and they had their own stairway that led upstairs to a balcony where they were required to sit. They had their own bathrooms and were not allowed in the movie lobby. When they wanted candy or poporn, they had to come down the stairs, knock on a little sliding door where I was located, tell me what they wanted, and I went to the lobby and bought it for them and brought it back to them. I was 16 years old....it was 1961 BEFORE the Civil Rights Act. When I tell my son about my first job and how it was then, he can hardly believe it. That's how much things have changed in my lifetime. And for the good!! I personally want for blacks and hispanics all good things in life.....just like I wanted for myself. I am heartened by the changes I've witnessed in my lifetime.

I look forward to the time when Martin Luther King's "dream speech" is a full reality: where "people are not judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." That's how I try to live my life. And that's why I don't think that separate groups like....the NAACP, the Black Caucus, and any group that continues to separate is a very good idea.
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Old 07-18-2004, 06:02 PM
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I am surprised at your answer Raven. (Or maybe not)

If Raven's view is held by the majority, then it means America is not ready for a President from the minority.
Well, America is not going to put a black or hispanic in a president....just to say they've done it. The person is going to have to be qualified, and a person that the country likes and respects and believes in.
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If he had decided to run. Besides the two mentioned, I like JC Watts. I'm not sure why he left politics.
By that I mean maybe JC had way too much of both.

Actually JC is a great example of the racial progression we have made. He was a black man who won in a congressional district that did not have anything near a black majority of voters. Whites from an area that most people would discribe as redneck voted this black man into office because they trusted him to represent their interests in Washington. I doubt they would have voted for Jesse or Al Sharpton, but they did vote for a black man who shared their views. How many people think they would have done that 40 years ago?

I know I have said this before, but guys like JC convince me that black America could gain so much more if it quite being so easy for the Democrats to count upon for support. If more African Americans put themselves into play politically speaking, then they would get so much more out of the system.
Oh come on. Please don't call people in Oklahoma "rednecks." That's stereotyping at it's worst. I have family there....have lived there myself, and my husband graduated from Oklahoma University. They are NOT "rednecks."

Here's the deal: J.C. Watts was a star quarterback at the University of Oklahoma. Football is "king" there. He was a hero. And people liked him and knew that he was a good guy. That's why whites voted for him.
I said, "Whites from an area that most people would discribe as redneck voted this black man into office because they trusted him to represent their interests in Washington"

Then you said, "Please don't call people in Oklahoma "rednecks." That's stereotyping at it's worst"

I did not call people in Oklahoma rednecks. I ackowledged a commonly held stereo type. There is a difference that is easy to see when you read carefully before you comment.

For the record, I was raised in Texas, have family in Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas & Mississippi & I now live in Louisiana. I am in the very heart of the region you are defending against a comment I did not make. I know this region well, because I live here.

Although I did not say the people of Oklahoma were rednecks before, I am saying it now. Not all residents in the states I mentioned are rednecks, but its a much higher concentration than the national average. Heck, a lot of my family and friends fall into this category and none of us view it as a negative comment.

I know a lot of people in this region who do have gunracks in their trucks. They have bumperstickers about prying the gun from their cold dead hands. They think Hank Williams Jr is a god. They can talk about watching the country & western TV show "Hee-Haw". They like to hunt & fish. They like bass fishing shows. The would describe themselves as good ole boys. Heck, most of them would describe themselves as a redneck and say it with pride. Maybe this is not the definition of redneck to you, but it is to me and it is to most of the people I just described.

Now to the comment I made about white's feeling JC advocated their interests, of course the fact that he played football for OU helps a lot with initial name recognition. Do you think he is the first politican to capitalize off of a successful stint in sports? This in no way invalidates his support of policies these same people believe in. It only means that his sports career gave him some good PR in the beginning.

You're reaching a bit here to take offense to the mention of the word redneck that you took out of context and to act like JC's football career is the only reason he was voted to office. Its hard for me to believe you could consistently misunderstand my posts this often. Whats up?
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Old 07-18-2004, 07:22 PM
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If he had decided to run. Besides the two mentioned, I like JC Watts. I'm not sure why he left politics.
By that I mean maybe JC had way too much of both.

Actually JC is a great example of the racial progression we have made. He was a black man who won in a congressional district that did not have anything near a black majority of voters. Whites from an area that most people would discribe as redneck voted this black man into office because they trusted him to represent their interests in Washington. I doubt they would have voted for Jesse or Al Sharpton, but they did vote for a black man who shared their views. How many people think they would have done that 40 years ago?

I know I have said this before, but guys like JC convince me that black America could gain so much more if it quite being so easy for the Democrats to count upon for support. If more African Americans put themselves into play politically speaking, then they would get so much more out of the system.
Oh come on. Please don't call people in Oklahoma "rednecks." That's stereotyping at it's worst. I have family there....have lived there myself, and my husband graduated from Oklahoma University. They are NOT "rednecks."

Here's the deal: J.C. Watts was a star quarterback at the University of Oklahoma. Football is "king" there. He was a hero. And people liked him and knew that he was a good guy. That's why whites voted for him.
I said, "Whites from an area that most people would discribe as redneck voted this black man into office because they trusted him to represent their interests in Washington"

Then you said, "Please don't call people in Oklahoma "rednecks." That's stereotyping at it's worst"

I did not call people in Oklahoma rednecks. I ackowledged a commonly held stereo type. There is a difference that is easy to see when you read carefully before you comment.

For the record, I was raised in Texas, have family in Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, Arkansas & Mississippi & I now live in Louisiana. I am in the very heart of the region you are defending against a comment I did not make. I know this region well, because I live here.


Although I did not say the people of Oklahoma were rednecks before, I am saying it now. Not all residents in the states I mentioned are rednecks, but its a much higher concentration than the national average. Heck, a lot of my family and friends fall into this category and none of us view it as a negative comment.

I know a lot of people in this region who do have gunracks in their trucks. They have bumperstickers about prying the gun from their cold dead hands. They think Hank Williams Jr is a god. They can talk about watching the country & western TV show "Hee-Haw". They like to hunt & fish. They like bass fishing shows. The would describe themselves as good ole boys. Heck, most of them would describe themselves as a redneck and say it with pride. Maybe this is not the definition of redneck to you, but it is to me and it is to most of the people I just described.

Now to the comment I made about white's feeling JC advocated their interests, of course the fact that he played football for OU helps a lot with initial name recognition. Do you think he is the first politican to capitalize off of a successful stint in sports? This in no way invalidates his support of policies these same people believe in. It only means that his sports career gave him some good PR in the beginning.

You're reaching a bit here to take offense to the mention of the word redneck that you took out of context and to act like JC's football career is the only reason he was voted to office. Its hard for me to believe you could consistently misunderstand my posts this often. Whats up?

Because you are a very hard to understand poster, DanM. Just like your comment above......"Although I did not say the people of Oklahoma were rednecks before, I am saying it now." That sounds a bit like John Kerry's, "I did vote for the $87 million before I voted against it" comment. You're BOTH hard to understand. Sorry....but I don't have trouble with anybody else's logic on this board, but yours.
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Default Well, you know what Bush said:

I think President Bush said it best when he explained that, "even people with skin the color of ours can self govern."

So I would say yes.

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This is a question that I have asked myself several times. And I cannot seem to come up with an answer. I have lived in the US for almost 13 years and I am not well versed in American History as some of you on the forum are. But given that, does anyone have an answer to this question? And if you think we are ready, what makes you so sure?
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As far as Hispanics go ,I think Bill Richardson has his eye on running in 2008 if Kerry doesn't win. He is an experienced politcian, and is gaining national recognition thanks to the Kerry considering him for VP.

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Default IS AMERICA READY FOR A BLACK OR HISPANIC PRESIDENT?

I personally think it is a silly question to begin with.

Why wouldn't America be ready for a Black Man or Woman as President?

BTW....Wasn't President Clinton our first Black President?
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Old 07-19-2004, 05:24 AM
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Default I think its a great idea...

This would be wonderful for our country to experience. I however don't see it happening anytime soon. There are still far too many racist idiots out there who believe it would be harmful to our country. Hell, we can't even get a woman president this day in age. Unfortunately its still a rich white man's country (Hint: people like GWB).
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I can't say that I know anyone that votes for any man or woman based on the color of their skin. It He or She, has beleifs close to mine, I most definatly will vote for them. IMO...To suggest otherwise is the real insult to the Black population.
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I can't say that I know anyone that votes for any man or woman based on the color of their skin. It He or She, has beleifs close to mine, I most definatly will vote for them. IMO...To suggest otherwise is the real insult to the Black population.
It is not an insult to point out the problem, I am simply the messenger. I too don't vote based on physical attributes of a politician, however this country is not of the majority such as you and the crowd you "think" votes the way you do. I hate it as much as you do that at this time, it would not happen. IMO...to deny this is irrational and only contributes to the ignorance.
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