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Old 07-19-2004, 06:45 AM
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Default Actually I do

"You think this is a silly question, Kroger?

Question for you. Are you black? And if you are, have you ever experienced "blatant racism"?..."

To answer your first question...No...I am not Black.

As to you second...Yes, I have been passed over for a job because of my skin color. Some Quota for hiring Blacks or something like that..LOL Even my Black freinds thought that one was stupid.

And nope, I am from good ole planet Earth

As far as the Jesus thing...I am not sure where you guys are going to church, but I have been to many churches all over this Great Nation and have never heard any preacher, preist or munk discussing Jesus's skin color. I don't know of anyone who even cares what the Skin color of Jesus is. He is my Savior and that is it!!!

Plain and Simple...Put up a man/woman, Black, white, pink or purple, who has simular views as the majority of voters and he or she can win the election. But if you think that he or she is gonna win based on their skin color alone, you are highly mistaken.
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Default You are almost there...

you almost understand...it may not matter to you that Jesus was not white, because you are white...but to someone who is black it does matter and also to a racist white person. This is exactly what people are going to say when they don't vote the black candidate in office regardless of his credentials. People will say..."I don't care about the color of his skin, he just doesn't have what I look for in a candidate" It's nice of you to say that it won't matter to you, but to other people, it will matter to them even if they don't admit it. Why is it so hard for a black family to adopt a black child, or better yet, why is it that a lot of white couples refuse to adopt a black child?
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Default The best way to combat the "Dinkins effect"

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You think this is a silly question, Kroger?

Question for you. Are you black? And if you are, have you ever experienced "blatant racism"? The reason I think the question is NOT a silly one is that I feel there are many people in our country who think that black people are only cut out to be good athletes and entertainers. But when it comes to the Office of the most powerful man in the world, then it may not be such a good idea.

What am I using for basis? Because I, as a black man have had this conversation many times with most of my white colleagues and some have flat out told me that is their point of view (almost similar to Raven's..except for her she drew on personal experience with a black mayor)

So if in 2004, this question seems "silly" to you, then you live on an entirely different planet!
Is to add more positive examples such as JC Watts or Collin Powell.

All people are a product of their experiences and all people try to rationalize what they have seen. If you saw very few white politicians and the ones you saw carried a perception of not caring for the issues of black America, then wouldn't you be able to understand how a black man could have the same fear as Raven? I hear guys like Bonds hitting the Republicans often on this very point so I have to think this is a message that resonates with Blacks the same as with Whites.

Regardless of color, a successful politician has to put common interests over special interests in an increasingly multicultural society.
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Default Watts is a good example

As there aren't too many districts in the country where the majority is strongly white, but the rep is a minority. He wasn't ready to be Pres, but with experience I do think he had the potential.

There are issues on both sides. You want to talk about a lack of interest in white families adopting black kids. The flip side of that coin is that when white families do do that they are criticized by some blacks. Sharpton being one example. While things have improved we are not there yet. But it will take improvement by both sides, while Cosby is onto something with his comments it will take a lot more by those of similar stature as well as change in the mentality of some whites (I think mostly by the progression of time) before things really improve.

I think the answer is the US is ready for the right minority President. Right being someone who embraces both conservative and liberal ideals.
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Default Colin Powel? Without a doubt!

Actually, after putting much thought into it, I guess I would be opposed to an Al Sharpton president, since he is more racist than any KKK remember out there!

But as far as Colin Powel, I guess he did not come to mind since I do not see his color. And I also believe that is precisely why I would cast my vote for him. I think he is an extraordinary person. Period. So much so that my eyes do not even see the color of his skin. I have admired him since the Gulf War, & that admiration has only grow over the years.

So yes, in that respect, I would vote for Powel over ANYONE...black, white, yellow, pink, purple, orange, or green.

But as for Sharpton, well, he just proves my earlier post that SOME blacks or Hispanics would most definitely look out for 'their own' once in office & destroy this country in a way that Bush could never even begin to. He would use the presidency solely for own racial needs & by doing that he could cause a second civil war the likes of which none of us can comprehend.

And that can never be allowed. Not by a black president or a white president.
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Old 07-19-2004, 07:57 AM
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Default Exactly, Raven!!!

Exactly, Raven.

As I stated. The Al Sharptons and the Jessie Jacksons run their campaigns on the basis of there color. That, I think is the very reason that they have never had any success in the election arena and never will.

I would have to hear more from Mr Powell to make a final decission on him, but I must say that I do really like him. I think he is an upstanding person and I can not think of any area where he has made Race an issue.

I stole a saying from J.C. Watts along time ago when he was first elected. I will have to paraphrase, but it was something like...
"Other than from the Love from God, the only hand that you will ever get in life is the one at the end of your sleeve."
I still repeat that to people today
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Default The only problem with that is...

Basically what you are saying is that you want a black candidate who acts "white". Someone who doesn't force people to see the issues that the minorities are faced with everyday. Someone who continues to basically hold down the minorities. I have heard it stated several times by black people that they dislike powell and condi because they don't represent the black community well. Many blacks feel that powell and condi are part of "them" meaning the white leaders of our nation who could give a rats ass about them. What we really need is a black leader who is a mix between Al Sharpton and Colin Powell. Someone who is a wonderful mind and voice, and cares about issues on both sides white and black. Someone who isn't all about pleasing one demographic, but rather all demographics. But if you ask me, I think we have needed a president period who has this quality. The closest we came to this was Clinton, the farthest we've come is Bush Jr.
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Basically what you are saying is that you want a black candidate who acts "white". Someone who doesn't force people to see the issues that the minorities are faced with everyday. Someone who continues to basically hold down the minorities. I have heard it stated several times by black people that they dislike powell and condi because they don't represent the black community well. Many blacks feel that powell and condi are part of "them" meaning the white leaders of our nation who could give a rats ass about them. What we really need is a black leader who is a mix between Al Sharpton and Colin Powell. Someone who is a wonderful mind and voice, and cares about issues on both sides white and black. Someone who isn't all about pleasing one demographic, but rather all demographics. But if you ask me, I think we have needed a president period who has this quality. The closest we came to this was Clinton, the farthest we've come is Bush Jr.
^^^hehe, so this is how you do that. Sorry folks..I am new to this forum and still learning the ropes.

Anyway.....That is some twist...LOL
It sounds as though you want the Race issue to be there. I hope that I am wrong here. I don't. I think that it is the problem. As I have stated before, I don't care what color you are. I don't care what color anyone is. (although, I'm not big on that blue hair thing...LOL).

As long as the Race topic is an issue from a candidate, I do not see a Black President. Many people, black and white are trying to end bad race relations. Others, like Sharpton and the likes want them to continue...IMO
I can see someone like Powell and others doing quite well in a Presidential Election. But trust me, if he was to bring the race thing into his election regardless of what side he chose, it would end it for him.
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Basically what you are saying is that you want a black candidate who acts "white". Someone who doesn't force people to see the issues that the minorities are faced with everyday. Someone who continues to basically hold down the minorities. I have heard it stated several times by black people that they dislike powell and condi because they don't represent the black community well. Many blacks feel that powell and condi are part of "them" meaning the white leaders of our nation who could give a rats ass about them. What we really need is a black leader who is a mix between Al Sharpton and Colin Powell. Someone who is a wonderful mind and voice, and cares about issues on both sides white and black. Someone who isn't all about pleasing one demographic, but rather all demographics. But if you ask me, I think we have needed a president period who has this quality. The closest we came to this was Clinton, the farthest we've come is Bush Jr.
Well stated, MPotter. It seems to me that JC Watts, Condi or Powell seem to be "preferred" because they are Republican. (I hope I am wrong on that) And I tried to explain this to JP5 in another conversation. This is not to take anything away from these 3 individuals.. They have achieved a lot in their lives and should be fully commended.

Pesonally, I do not care if we NEVER have a Black, Hispanic, Asian or female president. Of course the opportunity is there for everyone. But as long as who ever is President will "try to serve" all AMERICANS, I could care less what the ethnicity is. A good, decent and caring man or woman is just fine by me.
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Default OK....

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...It seems to me that JC Watts, Condi or Powell seem to be "preferred" because they are Republican. (I hope I am wrong on that)...
at least as far as myself....You are wrong on that!!!

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Pesonally, I do not care if we NEVER have a Black, Hispanic, Asian or female president. Of course the opportunity is there for everyone. But as long as who ever is President will "try to serve" all AMERICANS, I could care less what the ethnicity is. A good, decent and caring man or woman is just fine by me.
This I agree with. That was my whole point behind my "silly" statement. Thanks for helping me make it more clear.
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