Thread: What would you think if people started aborting their gay children?

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Your premise is ridiculous!

Women do NOT make a decision based on what whether the potential fetus would be. . . they make a decision based on what they need to do to survive in this world and whether or not they are able to provide care for a potential fetus throughout the pregnancy and BEYOND.

Now. . . it is clear that open minded people (mostly Liberals, of course) would not base such a decision on the "potential" sexual orientation of a "potential" fetus.

But. . .it seem that, maybe, YOU and YOUR crowd of fake "pro-life" would. . .since you came up with such a ridiculous idea!

This isn't always true. Some people when they have multiple embryos will select by gender because they preferred a boy over a girl and abort the female embryo. Some women are rich and have a great career and just don't want to be bothered with a child. Some abort a child because the father broke up with them and/or is seeing another girl. Some abort fetuses because the child would have Downs Syndrome.

When you have desensitized a populace to the value of all unique life and the fruit of your womb is an expendable commodity then it stands to reason that people would in fact abort a child with unfavorable qualities (and according to many on this board would have every right to deselect a fetus that would grow up to be abnormal in some sense). If its just an embryo of a gay person, and not a gay person...why not?

This is the slippery slope of dehumanizing the fetus and creating a culture where the destruction of life is called "empowerment". Of course, the same people that are bringing up the gay issue don't seem to like gays, but regardless of the intention of their post and its "tricksy" nature they are truth telling.

Originally Posted by Leffe

Being gay is not a defect though, in your mind it might be but you are wrong.

Being gay is abnormal--not wrong or evil, but like being left-handed or green-eyed, abnormal. If someone preferred "normal" they might abort the gay child. Just like in some cases autistic people are geniuses, they are also an expensive child to raise. Is autism a defect? Maybe not. The world takes all types. It is simply abnormal and not everyone likes abnormal.

Originally Posted by Zosiasmom

Being gay is abnormal--not wrong or evil, but like being left-handed or green-eyed, abnormal. If someone preferred "normal" they might abort the gay child. Just like in some cases autistic people are geniuses, they are also an expensive child to raise. Is autism a defect? Maybe not. The world takes all types. It is simply abnormal and not everyone likes abnormal.

Being left handed is abnormal?

Are you suggesting we should all be carbon copies of a certain model of human? If not, can you please specify what tolerances you apply to the human being in the centre of this spectrum of "normality"?

How do you even start to define what aspects or degrees of aspects are within the limits of acceptability?

What if someone was born with one eye? Or a finger missing? What about bi-sexuals?

Where does normal start and end?

Boy am I looking forward to this response!

Originally Posted by Zosiasmom

Being gay is abnormal--not wrong or evil, but like being left-handed or green-eyed, abnormal. If someone preferred "normal" they might abort the gay child. Just like in some cases autistic people are geniuses, they are also an expensive child to raise. Is autism a defect? Maybe not. The world takes all types. It is simply abnormal and not everyone likes abnormal.

Additionally:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226016161591

THE world's most typical human being is a 28-year-old Han Chinese man who speaks Mandarin and owns a cell phone, the New York Post reports.

Looking ahead, the study says that the 28-year-old Han man "won't be typical for long. By 2030, the most typical person in the world will be from India".

Zosiasmom - how "normal" or "abnormal" are you compared to the average human being? Are you a Han Chinese man who speaks Mandarin? If not, you are apprently are abnormal and deserve less rights because of this.

Originally Posted by Leffe

Being left handed is abnormal?

Yes, statistically more people are right-handed, ergo that is "the norm". More people are of average intelligence, too. Extreme intelligence is abnormal.

PS, I'm not saying "unnatural". Being gay is absolutely natural.

Are you suggesting we should all be carbon copies of a certain model of human? If not, can you please specify what tolerances you apply to the human being in the centre of this spectrum of "normality"?

Why in the world would I be saying such a thing? It is our uniqueness and abnormalities that make the world even a partially bearable place to live in. I would not more want to live in a world without gays than I would a world without redheads--another abnormality.

How do you even start to define what aspects or degrees of aspects are within the limits of acceptability?

Go back and read what I actually wrote, versus telling me what I think. I think all life is infinitely precious and unique.

What if someone was born with one eye? Or a finger missing? What about bi-sexuals?

This is troubling that you are preaching to me what I preach to others--that all life is precious and deserving of a chance, be it a rare Panda or a gay fetus, as if I believe otherwise.

Where does normal start and end?

With statistics?

I'm not talking "goodness", nor am I speaking of "value". I'm talking of numbers and preferences. Most people prefer to live in a boring, cookie cutter world. This is not me, but I can anticipate people who would abort a gay child because it is not exactly, 100% what they wanted. If they abort a fetus for being a girl when they wanted a boy, if they find out that the child is gay somehow and they don't want a gay child we've desensitized people to having any sort of caring emotion towards these "zygotes" so I can certainly envision this scenario.

Boy am I looking forward to this response!

Why? Because I'm cynical about the fact that the "norm" when it comes to humanity is desensitized and mean? That I believe have no respect for what is unique?

Originally Posted by Zosiasmom

Yes, statistically more people are right-handed, ergo that is "the norm". More people are of average intelligence, too. Extreme intelligence is abnormal.

PS, I'm not saying "unnatural". Being gay is absolutely natural.



Why in the world would I be saying such a thing? It is our uniqueness and abnormalities that make the world even a partially bearable place to live in. I would not more want to live in a world without gays than I would a world without redheads--another abnormality.



Go back and read what I actually wrote, versus telling me what I think. I think all life is infinitely precious and unique.



This is troubling that you are preaching to me what I preach to others--that all life is precious and deserving of a chance, be it a rare Panda or a gay fetus, as if I believe otherwise.



With statistics?

I'm not talking "goodness", nor am I speaking of "value". I'm talking of numbers and preferences. Most people prefer to live in a boring, cookie cutter world. This is not me, but I can anticipate people who would abort a gay child because it is not exactly, 100% what they wanted. If they abort a fetus for being a girl when they wanted a boy, if they find out that the child is gay somehow and they don't want a gay child we've desensitized people to having any sort of caring emotion towards these "zygotes" so I can certainly envision this scenario.




Why? Because I'm cynical about the fact that the "norm" when it comes to humanity is desensitized and mean? That I believe have no respect for what is unique?

THE world's most typical human being is a 28-year-old Han Chinese man who speaks Mandarin and owns a cell phone, the New York Post reports.

Are you a Han Chinese man who speaks Mandarin?

If not you are "abnormal" and would then be subject to selective abortion.

Originally Posted by Leffe

Additionally:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226016161591



Zosiasmom - how "normal" or "abnormal" are you compared to the average human being? Are you a Han Chinese man who speaks Mandarin? If not, you are apprently are abnormal and deserve less rights because of this.

Yes, exactly! When we throw the human population in a box I will be considered to be abnormal, ie "deviating from standard". However...

when did I ever ONCE say that they deserved less rights because of this??????????

Ahem, read my posts. I believe that gays and lesbians deserve equal rights and equal protections.

Originally Posted by Blackrook

Gays claim that homosexuality isn't a choice, but is something they are born with.

What if that is true, and scientists isolated and identified a gene in the human cell that makes people gay?

What if doctors started testing unborn children to see if they carried that "gay gene"?

And what if people started aborting their gay children?

I want to know what you think about this.

I especially want to know what gays think.

Because right now gays and the pro-abortion movement are in common cause, cooperating with each other and helping each other out.

But what would happen to that alliance if gays became the target of the ultimate form of "gay bashing" -- abortion to make sure that in the future there would be no more gay people.

Would that change how you feel about abortion?

Probably the most flamebaiting thread I've ever read on here.

Go away.

Originally Posted by Leffe

Are you a Han Chinese man who speaks Mandarin?

If not you are "abnormal" and would then be subject to selective abortion.

I could have already been subject to selective abortion by virtue of being female, or even because my mother might have been pissed off that the dude she was shagging took up with some other chick.

I've never said that I was FOR it, I'm saying that people if given the option will do it. I'm not arguing for abortion in any way, shape, or form. I'm just stating that people abort for many reasons other than medical, and if they will abort a fetus because it is the wrong gender, they will abort a fetus because it will not have the sexual preference they were looking for. It is not "life" to people who are pro-abortion. It is the design of life, it is the blueprints. They can scrap it and start another one if the proverbial ceilings are too high or the porch not long enough.

Originally Posted by Sadanie

Your premise is ridiculous!

Women do NOT make a decision based on what whether the potential fetus would be. . . they make a decision based on what they need to do to survive in this world and whether or not they are able to provide care for a potential fetus throughout the pregnancy and BEYOND.

Now. . . it is clear that open minded people (mostly Liberals, of course) would not base such a decision on the "potential" sexual orientation of a "potential" fetus.

But. . .it seem that, maybe, YOU and YOUR crowd of fake "pro-life" would. . .since you came up with such a ridiculous idea!

Blackrook came up with a very good topic and provided a potentially real scenario to bounce ideas around. I think its a brilliant idea and the arguments presented by Blackrook have spurred thought and conversation. I wish I had the same gift.

What if a woman who would normally not engage in abortion found out her baby would be gay, then she chose abortion. Would she be wrong for making a pro abortion decision based on the sexual orientation of the child? Or is any reason at all enough to decide to abort? Is she being anti gay? Should her decision be considered a hate crime?