Well said. Maybe the Sudan, unless he/she is really sensative to cold weather.

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If I didn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about my country would I be so grieved about the un-Constitutional actions of the US Gov?

If I were into the mindset of anarchists then I would be condoning what's going on because it means that mass riots would ensue, and chaos would break out; the ultimate goal of an anarchist.

Before you say I'm buying into some rhetoric, you should reevaluate your own perspective. Throughout history the people who have taken the stance against an abusive government have been called crazy until after the fact, when they are recognized as people who saw what was coming. The "rhetoric" is that you're making the same mistake that every culture makes, denying the reality of the inevitability of corruption.

I already said it in another post, America is just due for a revolution. Every country has them.

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[quote=k7leetha;417940I already said it in another post, America is just due for a revolution. Every country has them.[/QUOTE]

Well, look - why is it that you think a revolution is "necessary"?

I mean, why not just "vote", like I suggested?

You have that power, yes?

'Cause I mean, revolutions are bloody things, yes? People get beheaded, and crap like that - you know, redcoats shot at dawn, that kinda thing. (No Marlboros either.... ) -

So, I mean, that's not something you'd deliberately want to promote, is it?

I wouldn't want to do that kind of thing except as a very last resort, if it were absolutely necessary.

'Cause I mean, otherwise you're out there in Bush-land somewhere, trying to overthrow every government that isn't entirely pleasing to you.

Prove it.

Who are these anarchists? Please identify them and identify that they were the source of this post.

The country and the government are not the same thing. I love this country, but I recognize the truth, that the U.S. government is America's greatest enemy.

Why don't all you Neocons leave? Who gave you first claim on the land?

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You just nailed JP5 perfectly.

I recommend that everyone go rent the movie "Sophie Scholl: The Final Days." It's about the anti-war movement in Germany during World War 2. The Nazis use the exact same arguments the Republicans are using today to justify the war. Sophie Scholl and her fellow activists are convicted on one charge of "Not supporting the troops and harming troop morale." Sound familiar?

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k7leetha - I'm with you on much more than one of the issues in your original post, but unlike you, I believe that it's possible to change things in a non-violent matter. You've mentioned things being realized "after the fact", and I feel that it's important to look at these facts and work to change the way things are done, not by starting a "Second Civil War" or a revolution, but by changing policy through a diplomatic/democratic process (as hard as it may seem).

There is a long road ahead of us, and in reality it's pretty much a never ending process. You ask people to "revaluate perspective" (and perspective is indeed a very interesting word), so I ask you to take a moment and evaluate the so-called "American Way of Life", and try to see things through the eyes of someone who doesn't have the basic things that most Americans do. In other words, in the U.S we have quite a few privileges, and I believe that we were both pretty lucky to be born where we were.

Peace.

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I believe non-violence should ALWAYS be sought first. So you know where I'm coming from I've been in only 2 fights in my life, and both of those I dissolved with one painful move that allowed me to talk away after the fact.

I am thrilled beyond thrilled that I live in America. Despite it's problems it's still the the greatest country! AMERICA! (*)(*)(*)(*) YEAH! But like Truth-Bringer said, country and government are NOT the same thing. In order to save our country we have to take it out of the hands of men and women who have decided that our fates are theirs to decide.

Voting is the greatest single power an American has ... when the method hasn't been tainted and rigged. We have proven that the last 2 elections were rigged, we have proven that the Diebold machines can be defeated quite easily without anything more than a memory card. Technicians have even checked out the internal parts of the Diebold machines and have said that it's running outdated technology - not a crime, but why would the most important part of our should-be democratic system, a system that spends billions of dollars on safety and new technology, be using easily compromised outdated parts?

If voting worked things would be far different than they are now. Bush would not have made president even once, much less twice. The last 2 election winners were Kerry and Gore.

What does this mean for Americans?

Violence should ALWAYS be used as a last resort when all practical, civil, legal, and morally acceptable venues have been tried.

When the government doesn't listen to it's people using the system IT has set up then the recourse of an ignored populace is to demand their government, a government "instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed," pay heed to what we say.

In other words, the US Gov works for US, and if they're gonna take away our only methods of communicating to them, then tell us they're not gonna listen, then we will get our message across in another fashion.

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Talking and reasoning can only be done when we have a voice.

Without a voice the body will speak.

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Guys, y'all do realize that a revolution can be peaceful, right? Anything that causes a dramatic change counts. I guess the main question is who gets to decide when its time?

The government has been overstepping its bounds for decades, and eventually the people will have to stop it. For most people, I think it will take tanks rolling through the cities and open aggression against the people. Problem is, by then its too late.

Said so perfectly. That's what I think too, and that's what I'm trying to work against.

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