Before, you go on with all your thoughtless banter please give me FACTS to back up a lot of that "rhetoric" you yourself are vomiting.


Also, Prove the elections are rigged, and before you go spitting out more nonsense, remember the electoral college was designed for the reps in it to vote how ever they choose to make the best decision so... so if you say that them voting against what the people wanted makes it fixed then.... you are going against the constitution.


On some part you are right history has given us loads of "crazy" people who stood up to the higher powers!, John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Brown, Hitler, Fidel Castro..... All these people fit perfectly into your argument.

Also the American Revolution was not started by "corruption" it was started because people thought they deserved to rule them selves and thought they were being treated unfairly, when actuality they DID have representation and Brittan had the RIGHT to tax them.... your bad knowledge of facts basically debunks your whole argument.


Btw when you show me the corruption on the scale you are talking about, then you will have an argument but as far as we know this is all just some!!!! "RHETORIC"

Cash,

You will probably want to reply by saying, "He won't give sources because he doesn't have any," and that's fine, but I'm not going to do your research for you.

I've already given you things to do research on, and if you're not going to bother using what I've already given you I'm not going to waste my time pulling up the hundreds of things I've read and watched so you can find another reason to not check.

I'll say it again, everything I've learned I learned with a library and the internet. Nothing fancy, everyone has them. If that's too difficult for you to do, as I have done for myself already, then you're not the kind of person who's willing to really evaluate the evidence anyway.

You've already been given a starting point, so instead of being bottle fed why don't you take the initiative. I'll be more than happy to discuss what you find out.

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The thing is, I've done my research and it all points to bull....I've found so many holes in your arguments with my research and what I was asking was please fix them, If you can make a stable argument then maybe there is some knowledge behind what your saying but all you say is...

The us govt did this!

Peace first war later...

That just doesn't make an argument, I've seen all the dumb pimpled faced college kid videos that try to make the US govt out to be this big monster, they arn't perfect but they do about 75% good by most standards, no one is perfect.

"If men where angels there would be no need for government."-James Madison, Federalist 51

That's all inclusive in the illegal taxing and the bit about the Federal Reserve Bank. The economy is money based: whoever has the money decides what the market is. Whoever controls the flow of money controls the economy itself.

America's treasury was originally built on the gold standard, a common term that not many people know the meaning of. Paper money ($1, $5, etc.,) was originally a coupon that was redeemable for the declared value in gold at a bank. They only printed coupons in balance with how much gold was in the treasury. Therefore the gold standard was (readers digest) the value by which the economy was required to fluctuate.

Borrowing money at interest, from a private bank that holds no ties to any government branch and is run by private shareholders that also have no government ties, only destroys the value of those paper bills, which are now literally just pieces of paper with ink on them. They are not backed by any tangible, physical object, meaning they have no translation value.

This transition set into place the power to control the economy. There is nothing to set the value of the paper against, so they can print as much or as little as they want.

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Cash,

You seem pretty on the ball. If you've really done your research and still aren't convinced there probably isn't anything new I can present to you. We'll just have to both sit back and see.

So on a more personal note, what is it that you see as bull? And please don't give the evil "everything" answer. Let's go back and forth over a few things, and see if we can start breaking it down. Hell, you'll prolly show me something I didn't know about, too.

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This website disproves every notion that the government had knowledge of the attack before it occured

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“Good leaders abhor wrongdoing of all kinds; sound leadership has a moral foundation.”

-Proverbs 16:12

The fact is, you have never tried or attempted to answer my statements that prove you wrong, basically when you refer to me, you say "Look at the internet" or "Do research" I would gladly discuss these things, because a lot of your logic is foolish I hate to say it but your statements are empty claims.

As well, the beginning of paper money stems from the issue of "Green backs" the currency issued by the union of the civil war which is backed by gold, and still is.
What you are referring to is "blue backs" the confederates money during the same time period

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"If men were angels, no government would be necessary"-James Madison, Federalist 51

For the record, I am not the type of person who comes in here knowing that I am right, 100% right, and everyone else is wrong, and I'm gonna preach or rant because I wanna let everyone know I'm right.

I hate those people.

I do "know" what I know, but as I've said to others time changes a LOT of facts.

The Earth is no longer flat.
Knowing about herbs no longer makes you a witch.
We no longer put mercury in our immunizations.
Eggs are no longer gonna kill you in one meal.

I'm willing to concede any point that can logically prove the 9/11 truthers viewpoints wrong. In point of fact there have been other truthers who have submitted "facts" that I have double checked and told them, "No, sorry, that's wrong."

I'm not here to start recruiting people for a government slay-day, I'm here to talk. Yeah, I do say America is turning into a fascist police state, but 9/11 is only a fraction of it. When I hear about free speech zones, chemtrails, toxic water, taking away gun rights, warrant-less searches, fraudulent riots, Blackwater, voter fraud, whistle-blower murders, "lost" documents, and more I have to start wondering about who's really in charge and what's going on.

As a final thought... I would LOVE for you to change my mind. I would LOVE to be wrong about this, and feel some security in my government again. If you have some great evidence (I'll check on it myself, just talk about it) I want to see it.

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The fact that the people who created the 9/11 theories are still alive and that a government who can track anything and everything as basically you stated could not seek and destroy something on the internet as soon as it was posted makes it hard to believe. As well, how can the government can keep everything so hush hush and convince Muslims as well to believe Osama did it makes me wonder.

Another thing, Free speech is not being infringe upon THAT much, yes it is definitively being tainted but we still have the luxury to say "The U.S. govt are Nazi's"


By Chem trials what exactly do you mean?

Toxic Water is mostly Businesses if anything the WASTEFULNESS of the government has contributed to the cleaning up of these situations.

What's wrong with Black Water?

When has voting been fraudulent by government usually when "The Dead" vote it's by radical supporters of something not the government themselves.

The Whistle Blowers sound like hits about 50% of the way but just as much they are in a battle zone....... it's iffy.

The fact that "You have to start wondering what's going on and who's in charge." and you are not black bagged means they are not as bad as you think...


One more thing, times do change but not always in the way you think, the same amount of chance they are opposite... The glass is half full, The glass is half empty.

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Cash,

Think about this carefully.

If someone who knows you trust them wants to have 100% control of you with the smallest amount of rebellion, they're not going to slap you in the face and tell you what they're doing.

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