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AWESOME, now we're having a discussion.

I was about to log off, I will read your links in the morning, and give some of my own now when I reply.

Looking forward to this.
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I will probably edit this a couple times before it's officially done, so bare with me, I work in stages.

First you have to understand that *some* (only some) of this will not have direct associations, which is where we get the term conspiracy. It is in pulling those strings together we see where they all connect. That will make more sense nearer the end of this post.

The illegal wars and oil technology require a longer explanation, because obviously there is no web page that's going to have proof in a pretty package. That will wait till last because the other things mentioned will have bearing.

Taking away our right to free speech: "Free speech zones (also known as First Amendment Zones, Free speech cages, and Protest zones) are areas set aside in public places for political activists to exercise their right of free speech in the United States." This is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment which states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." This isn't up for debate. That is black and white. Now according to some that means that Congress can still establish where and when, which is in error because to establish ANY parameters interferes with "free exercise." On a personal note to the "C" and "N" word, Yes, you have the right to say anything you want. You are not encroaching on another person physically, and to be insulted does not effect your health or personal property. That is NOT to say that I find it morally acceptable.

Rigging Elections: There are several links, I thought this one to be a good starting point, with this one as a good follow up. In addition to this there is disturbing evidence showing that ... well, the short version is, voters are being systematically picked and eliminated. "Nevertheless, at least 2,873 voters were wrongly removed, a purge authorized by a September 18, 2000 letter to counties from Governor Bush’s clemency office."

Illegal Income Tax: Because of the sheer enormity that all the documents entail it is a painful read, but here's your first clue as to the mindset of the people in charge of America's money: "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests." -Rothschild Brothers' of London, primary shareholders of the FED. This situation spurred a remonstrance by Americans in 1999. I recommend watching Russo interviews many government officials, including IRS agents who questioned the 16th Amendment and were fired or quit.

The media thing I'm not going into at all yet. Like the oil and war, it's the drawstring effect. More on it later.

REAL ID: I admit I was wrong, that was a bit of hyperbole. No, it's not mandatory...yet. But once upon a time neither were firearm permits or automobile licenses. What you have to realize in the end is that any product used by Americans can be used for good or evil if in the hands of controlling dictators. Okay, the chip isn't mandatory YET and it doesn't "come standard" with GPS YET. But, from the source YOU provided, it is "Because these duplicitous lawyers who serve in Congress knew they could not force this mandate on the states, it is voluntary on the part of the states."

Spying on us: the "patriot" act is a total violation of the documents that set the laws of the land and rights of the people. Pure and simple. I shouldn't need to go into detail about that with you, but if you wanna go over the "patriot" act separately I will.

So we're back to illegal wars, oil and the media. I'll tell you what, if after reading the rest you want to get to those, excellent, but I'll wait on the long typing segment for those until I know where you're at.
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New World Order according to Wikipedia: "A New World Order (Novus Ordo Mundi) is a conspiracy theory that refers to a plan in which a powerful and secretive group, most often referred to as the Illuminati, is to be conspiring to eventually rule the world via an autonomous world government, which would replace sovereign states and other checks and balances in world power struggles." - The neutrality of this article is disputed. -

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You make great points, it's very confusing especially the hour long movie.



Freedom of speech, is very very tricky because to some, the laws to not infringe free speech they let you say anything you want but there may be consequences... There are way to many gray areas honestly.

The Taxation/media/oil/technology may be bad and corrupt, but the way you stated things in the original post accused the government was doing it, when really it may only be a select group of people... Hell I agree with you corruption happens and happened all thought history but you can't accuse the government of being fascists for these reasons.
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I will probably edit this a couple times before it's officially done, so bare with me, I work in stages.

First you have to understand that *some* (only some) of this will not have direct associations, which is where we get the term conspiracy. It is in pulling those strings together we see where they all connect. That will make more sense nearer the end of this post.

The illegal wars and oil technology require a longer explanation, because obviously there is no web page that's going to have proof in a pretty package. That will wait till last because the other things mentioned will have bearing.

Taking away our right to free speech: "Free speech zones (also known as First Amendment Zones, Free speech cages, and Protest zones) are areas set aside in public places for political activists to exercise their right of free speech in the United States." This is in direct violation of the 1st Amendment which states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." This isn't up for debate. That is black and white. Now according to some that means that Congress can still establish where and when, which is in error because to establish ANY parameters interferes with "free exercise." On a personal note to the "C" and "N" word, Yes, you have the right to say anything you want. You are not encroaching on another person physically, and to be insulted does not effect your health or personal property. That is NOT to say that I find it morally acceptable.

Rigging Elections: There are several links, I thought this one to be a good starting point, with this one as a good follow up. In addition to this there is disturbing evidence showing that ... well, the short version is, voters are being systematically picked and eliminated. "Nevertheless, at least 2,873 voters were wrongly removed, a purge authorized by a September 18, 2000 letter to counties from Governor Bush’s clemency office."

Illegal Income Tax: Because of the sheer enormity that all the documents entail it is a painful read, but here's your first clue as to the mindset of the people in charge of America's money: "The few who understand the system, will either be so interested in its profits, or so dependent on its favors that there will be no opposition from that class, while on the other hand, the great body of people, mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantages...will bear its burden without complaint, and perhaps without suspecting that the system is inimical to their best interests." -Rothschild Brothers' of London, primary shareholders of the FED. This situation spurred a remonstrance by Americans in 1999. I recommend watching America: Freedom to Fascism Russo interviews many government officials, including IRS agents who questioned the 16th Amendment and were fired or quit.

The media thing I'm not going into at all yet. Like the oil and war, it's the drawstring effect. More on it later.

REAL ID: I admit I was wrong, that was a bit of hyperbole. No, it's not mandatory...yet. But once upon a time neither were firearm permits or automobile licenses. What you have to realize in the end is that any product used by Americans can be used for good or evil if in the hands of controlling dictators. Okay, the chip isn't mandatory YET and it doesn't "come standard" with GPS YET. But, from the source YOU provided, it is "Because these duplicitous lawyers who serve in Congress knew they could not force this mandate on the states, it is voluntary on the part of the states."

Spying on us: the "patriot" act is a total violation of the documents that set the laws of the land and rights of the people. Pure and simple. I shouldn't need to go into detail about that with you, but if you wanna go over the "patriot" act separately I will.

So we're back to illegal wars, oil and the media. I'll tell you what, if after reading the rest you want to get to those, excellent, but I'll wait on the long typing segment for those until I know where you're at.
where your whole argument falls apart is the bank thing. income tax is a progressive tax, meaning that as people make more money, they get taxed more. 10% of america's richest people pay 60% of income taxes. so to assume that the bankers - people who pay a lot of taxes - united to mystify congress and fool all of us is totally absurd. the real reason income taxes were created was to get us out of the depression.

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The government is directly responsible because they're tied into the FED by using, with purpose, a bank run by profiteers.

But most importantly? It's illegal for a bank to produce America's money. "Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof."

And lastly, America can and is supposed to print it's own money. Why BUY American currency at interest, charging trillions of dollars to the taxpayers, when you can print your own for free?
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so to assume that the bankers - people who pay a lot of taxes - united to mystify congress and fool all of us is totally absurd. the real reason income taxes were created was to get us out of the depression.
The bankers aren't trying to get by Congress. *points to my previous post*

And I'm seriously not trying to tell you how to do your posts, but you might just want to address me by saying, "k7leetha" instead of digesting that much page with a quote. Just a thought.
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The bankers aren't trying to get by Congress. *points to my previous post*

And I'm seriously not trying to tell you how to do your posts, but you might just want to address me by saying, "k7leetha" instead of digesting that much page with a quote. Just a thought.
you mean "got" by congress, like your movie suggests, that bankers "got" by congress. your education seems to amount to a pile of (*)(*)(*)(*). you don't understand english. you don't understand your own video. you also don't understand economics. people might listen to you and maybe even like you if treated them with respect.

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people might listen to you and maybe even like you if treated them with respect.
Respect? Talk about the pot and the kettle. The first thing you told me was that I was a troll. **** your idea of respect.

First I'll tell you what, read what I said to Truth-Bringer and Straight Cash and if you still honestly think I'm not treating people with respect, within the same light that I am being treated, then don't bother writing me. The only reason I replied to you the last time is because you got off your troll doll. If you want to talk about respect don't assume your "education" means you can read minds and start rumors that I'm a troll.

And second, if you're going to insult someone make sure you're not guilty of your accusation. I know you didn't bother to read anything else about the economic situation of the U.S. and it's system of money production otherwise you'd see what Aaron Russo was talking about when he talked about getting by Congress. So "your education seems to amount to a pile of (*)(*)(*)(*)." And on that, you're hanging on a single miswritten word; the trait of one who doesn't have an argument of their own.
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Respect? Talk about the pot and the kettle. The first thing you told me was that I was a troll. **** your idea of respect.

First I'll tell you what, read what I said to Truth-Bringer and Straight Cash and if you still honestly think I'm not treating people with respect, within the same light that I am being treated, then don't bother writing me.
well. that's as far as i got. i'm not going to read the rest either. i was wrong about you, i thought u were faking it. i didn't think there were people who actually think the way you do about these conspiracies. once i realized you actually believed them whole heartedly i cared enough to read what you wrote - i even watched some of your video. i shouldn't have to reread everything. more importantly, i'm not going to, and i'm not going to care about what you have to say unless you start considering what i write.
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