Thread: How humans are identical to chickens

Originally Posted by Ivan88

Swensson said, " If you plan to somehow take away my voting rights (even when it's not against my will), I will object to that. Whatever your solution was, you seemed to object to my voting rights, and that I will defend."

He sounds like a US politician who said "They hate our freedom."

Would you care to elaborate on that or are you just throwing guilt by association on the wall and see what sticks?

Originally Posted by Ivan88

No one should have a freedom or right to initiate the use of force against another which is what "voting" usually is.

In principle, I agree, but it would be naïve to think that the practical alternatives are fairer. You know what they say, democracy is the worst form of government except for all others that have been tried. There is no ultimate way of dealing with politics, and enforcing anything but democracy will change your analogy from two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner to the sheep voting on whether or not to kill all wolves.

Originally Posted by peoplevsmedia

And that's all that matters. I will leave out the rest of your post including questions. end lobbyism. if you look closer at my site you will see that is what it is all about. and the solution on how to achieve this goal, because we can complain and moan all we want. as a matter of fact most of the moaners are career politicians themselves! and my web site is a solution to avoid those moaners getting into positions of power in the first place. that is all I have to say to you.

Oh, yes, I agree with your identification of the problem. However, I don't see a few youtube clips and a bumper sticker as a solution to anything.

Originally Posted by Swensson

Oh, yes, I agree with your identification of the problem. However, I don't see a few youtube clips and a bumper sticker as a solution to anything.

Few no, millions driven by a great speech I believe yes. great speech is what I keep working on from day to day, failure after failure.

Originally Posted by peoplevsmedia

Few no, millions driven by a great speech I believe yes. great speech is what I keep working on from day to day, failure after failure.

So your solution is what, revolution?

There have been revolutions driven by great rhetoric and powerful speeches before through history. They rarely end well and not because of any error in their motivation.

Originally Posted by Swensson

So your solution is what, revolution?

There have been revolutions driven by great rhetoric and powerful speeches before through history. They rarely end well and not because of any error in their motivation.

You are putting words in my mouth again. here is a clip from my upcoming speech:

...your only obligation is to spread the message, because it is our unity which will defeat them in elections. some of you may be wishing for a bloody revolution, in hopes that the thieves and criminals will get wiped out, but I can tell you with confidence, that a bloody revolution, will not be the one to bring justice and restore order. a bloody revolution, will only lead the way to more oppression, because the evil themselves never were, and never will be ready to fight - they are good at hiding, but they are masters, at turning the people against each other, and therefor, our absolute best weapon as humans against them, is understanding and respect for each other.

Originally Posted by peoplevsmedia

You are putting words in my mouth again.

I did not claim that you were advocating revolution, I asked.

Originally Posted by peoplevsmedia

here is a clip from my upcoming speech:

...your only obligation is to spread the message, because it is our unity which will defeat them in elections. some of you may be wishing for a bloody revolution, in hopes that the thieves and criminals will get wiped out, but I can tell you with confidence, that a bloody revolution, will not be the one to bring justice and restore order. a bloody revolution, will only lead the way to more oppression, because the evil themselves never were, and never will be ready to fight - they are good at hiding, but they are masters, at turning the people against each other, and therefor, our absolute best weapon as humans against them, is understanding and respect for each other.

I still don't see this winning elections. The American voting system enforces a two party system in the fact that only the winner gets any power. The unity between different causes you talk about is what creates the parties you oppose. To me, it seems like you want everyone to unite, but you actively resist all the ways of making them. No campaigning money, no media outlet. You'll never get a voting majority of the population to be internet based activists with bumper stickers and youtube clips of you drinking beer.

Originally Posted by Swensson

No campaigning money, no media outlet. You'll never get a voting majority of the population to be internet based activists with bumper stickers and youtube clips of you drinking beer.

And you will never get leaders any better then you have by choosing them from the same establishment media. my goal is destiny for mankind, it will succeed in the end, because there is no other way.

Originally Posted by peoplevsmedia

And you will never get leaders any better then you have by choosing them from the same establishment media. my goal is destiny for mankind, it will succeed in the end, because there is no other way.

There not being another way isn't an argument for your version to work. As I've said before, the universe doesn't owe you a way to deal with this, the fact that no other plan would work doesn't mean that this one would.