Thread: Was the Cold War real and the Soviet Union a threat or Not?

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

How's the internet access from the sanitorium, Ivan?

Look who's talking, a slave of the social egoic mind that is at the root of all/most of humanities' problems.

Originally Posted by SiliconMagician

Wow, I guess some people really did swallow all the lies put out by the Soviets during the Cold War.

Hint: America and the West = Good Guys

Soviet Union/Eastern Bloc = Bad Guys

Simplistic? yes. But still very true.

In the eyes of a globalist, one or the other had to give way to the other in order to pursue a new world order. You simply cannot have walls built between nations for it all to work. The conundrum now is that the winner of the Cold War has a constitution that upholds freedom and a sovereign Republic. This simply cannot be in a global utopia, so the US must be brought down as well. Judging from the economic outlook and those in charge of it, it's not hard to see how this may all unfold.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

So do you really think that you wouldn't have been invaded if we had just let Japan take over the Pacific?

Do you really think that Japan, with the expense of invading China, occupying French and British territory in se Asia, and fighting in India could have found enough troops to invade Australia..?
They were stretched to end of their supply lines at Kokoda and Moresby is as far as they could have got... Yamamoto's plan for an Australian invasion was dismissed as soon as he voiced it as impractical...


Apart from that you seem to think that America fought to protect us, not to protect American expansion in Asia...
Let's not forget the 1925 Washington Naval Treaty, which saw Australia's battlecruiser scuttled and naval shipbuilding stopped...
Let's not forget how Japan openly flouted the treaty for five years...

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

You're right tok3z, we should've just handed Korea to China. Forget the people who actually wanted us to help them.

In fact China didn't even enter Korean War until they'd seen too much of America bombing the poorest nation on earth...

Remind me again when South Korea became a democracy..? What did Kim Dae Jong win his Nobel Prize for..?

Originally Posted by tok3z

Do you really think that Japan, with the expense of invading China, occupying French and British territory in se Asia, and fighting in India could have found enough troops to invade Australia..?
They were stretched to end of their supply lines at Kokoda and Moresby is as far as they could have got... Yamamoto's plan for an Australian invasion was dismissed as soon as he voiced it as impractical...


Apart from that you seem to think that America fought to protect us, not to protect American expansion in Asia...
Let's not forget the 1925 Washington Naval Treaty, which saw Australia's battlecruiser scuttled and naval shipbuilding stopped...
Let's not forget how Japan openly flouted the treaty for five years...

Have it your way. You'll be China's (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) soon enough anyway.

Keep blaming us while they buy up your country.

Originally Posted by tok3z

In fact China didn't even enter Korean War until they'd seen too much of America bombing the poorest nation on earth...

Remind me again when South Korea became a democracy..? What did Kim Dae Jong win his Nobel Prize for..?

Just go (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself. You're on my ignore list now. You and Megadethfan for that matter.

You're one of the 500 or so "blame everything on America" types that come here.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

It's a good thing most people in your government don't think the way you do, because if they did, we wouldn't be allies.

As much as people complain about the criticism we get from the U.K., at least the criticisms coming from them are based in reality. With a lot of Aussies, there seems to be this delusional "blame everything in the world on the U.S." mentality. It's a bit like Awryly at times as well.

The problem with common views of the US by a lot of other countries is the phasing out of reality too. Everything good the US does is attributed to bad intentions, while everything the Soviets do is attributed to "defense". Equally nonsense.

One of the best encapsulations of how US/Soviet relations developed after WWII is a short documentary essay found on the bonus discs in the box set of "World at War", the 1970's BBC miniseries.

From Stephen Ambrose's recollections...Stalin really had no designs on western Europe, aside from preventing another one of those countries invading Russia. The Russians had good reason to be suspicious of the west, in a little over 100 years...Russia had been invaded by France (Napolean), the the Germans and Turks (WWI), and Germany again (WWII), and they had reason to be paranoid enough to build a wall, and get a little rough with pro western elements of the Warsaw Pact.

In fact...it was the US that broke from the spirit of co-ocupation between Soviet and Allied forces. Italy was the first instance where the allies said "Nah...we'll just keep this country under our control", and diss'd Stalin. At that point Stalin had an "ah hah" moment. He figured if you take the country, finders keepers.

Stalin was determined that Germany would not be united in the treaty after the war... After ww1 and after the 30 years war Germanic states had been broken up to prevent them doing it again...
It's like the NATO Doctrine and the "Color Revolutions" fulfilled hitler's vision for Europe, in a way...
The US Embassy even sent candles to a memorial in Estonia for nazis killed during a Soviet bombing...

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

Just go (*)(*)(*)(*) yourself. You're on my ignore list now. You and Megadethfan for that matter.

You're one of the 500 or so "blame everything on America" types that come here.

So I'm number 501..? I'm suspicious of Americans writing lists...

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

You know, it's a shame we didn't let the Japanese invade your country.

The Japanese neither intended to, nor did they have the capability.