Thread: I have finally figured it out...

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Outsourcing also drives costs down for consumers.

short term, long term it destroys societies

Originally Posted by FreshAir

one without rules, regulations and safety nets... yes

the American system works best, we use the best of ALL systems, we do not just restrict ourselves to one


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I agree that pure capitalism leads to problems, however; you MUST realize that we don't live in a monopoly game world. Please understand that this isn't a zero sum economic system.

THis is very important for the purposes of discussing regulation.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

So does lower costs.

No, not really. Lower costs mean nothing, when you have 'nothing' to spend.

People who are working and making a living, are going to be a lot better off in myriad ways.

A bunch of non-working citizens, sitting around wishing/dreaming they could pay those "lower costs"... is a disastrous situation.

Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu

I finally understand how liberals view society including the intricacies of how members of this society exchange goods and services.

You can sum it up in one sentence. They have a great dislike for the concept of a free market. Everything is based around that simple concept.

Class warfare, subjective salaries, progressive taxation, opposition to profit. All of this is centered around their failure to have any amount of faith in the system.

They want to take us back to England at the time of our revolution and tell us what the peasants will earn, how much the wealthy will pay, who is allowed to keep the profits of their labor. They want to be King!

And to call themselves progressive. HA!

Tories were actually the conservatives of their day. The Founding Fathers were undoubtedly "liberal", although it was "classical liberalism" which is a bit different from the modern version.

Originally Posted by jcarlilesiu

I agree that pure capitalism leads to problems, however; you MUST realize that we don't live in a monopoly game world. Please understand that this isn't a zero sum economic system.

THis is very important for the purposes of discussing regulation.

Regulations should serve as checks and balances. Excesses... which HUMAN beings are given to, should never be disregarded.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

Tories were actually the conservatives of their day. The Founding Fathers were undoubtedly "liberal", although it was "classical liberalism" which is a bit different from the modern version.

You are correct.

Originally Posted by Dan40

In my long ago youth, I made 37 cents an hour. I was able to BUY things with that money. Now people make $22,000 a year and cannot survive. HOW did minimum wages HELP?

Years later, I bought a brand new 67 Camaro equipped exactly as I wanted it, for $2600.00. Today a similarly equipped Camaro would cost well OVER $50,000. maybe $70,000. WHO gained from minimum wages? You could increase minimum wages to $1000.00 a minute, and a loaf of bread would cost $2 billion dollars. Who gained?

"You want fries with that?" "That will be $26 billion!"

Need gas? $36,000 an ounce.

Minimum wages cause unemployment and inflation, NOBODY BENEFITS.

Politicians promote minimum wages for one purpose only. To BUY the votes of the completely gullible.

Well no, minimum wage doesn't necessarily cause inflation and it certainly does not even remotely resemble this hyperbolic example.

Originally Posted by Ziggy Stardust

Well no, minimum wage doesn't necessarily cause inflation and it certainly does not even remotely resemble this hyperbolic example.

Not a single word of hyperbole in this statement. "I bought a brand new 67 Camaro equipped exactly as I wanted it, for $2600.00. Today a similarly equipped Camaro would cost well OVER $50,000. maybe $70,000."

And a fool could figure out that minimum wages ABSOLUTELY cause unemployment and inflation.

And there is not a word of hyperbole in this statement either. "Politicians promote minimum wages for one purpose only. To BUY the votes of the completely gullible."

The exaggerations were to try to penetrate the mind-blindness of liberals. Sorry that it failed to do so.

Originally Posted by Serfin' USA

Tories were actually the conservatives of their day. The Founding Fathers were undoubtedly "liberal", although it was "classical liberalism" which is a bit different from the modern version.

This is true, and the classic liberalism of the time advocated in favor of individual rights, small government, and less infringement in a person to make their way as they please. This was a direct response to the over zealous nature of the aristocracy.

Seems a bit odd that those people who advocate with "liberalism", now are making a push back to a more central government with subjective quantifying of everything from pay to profits. Wouldn't you say?

Originally Posted by Dan40

Not a single word of hyperbole in this statement. "I bought a brand new 67 Camaro equipped exactly as I wanted it, for $2600.00. Today a similarly equipped Camaro would cost well OVER $50,000. maybe $70,000."

And a fool could figure out that minimum wages ABSOLUTELY cause unemployment and inflation.

And there is not a word of hyperbole in this statement either. "Politicians promote minimum wages for one purpose only. To BUY the votes of the completely gullible."

The exaggerations were to try to penetrate the mind-blindness of liberals. Sorry that it failed to do so.

Wow who could argue with your own personal experience and opinions?

But since you said it was so easy I'm sure you could show us some stats that prove "minimum wages ABSOLUTELY cause unemployment and inflation" and why.




Apparently not everyone is aware of your personal experiences and how they prove your point.

http://www.irle.berkeley.edu/workingpapers/157-07.pdf

http://www.uvm.edu/~vlrs/doc/min_wage.htm